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I was thinking of downloading one of the HITR shows and was looking at setlists.  None of them have Real Tears for Sale, what gives?!  anyone seen one of these shows?  
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Kenmar,

Yeah, I don't think it was on the HITR tour, but it's on two FRC downloads:

http://www.marillion.com/music/frc/043.htm and http://www.marillion.com/music/frc/040.htm

I have both and they are very nice.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lazland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2010 at 15:51
Originally posted by kenmartree kenmartree wrote:

I was thinking of downloading one of the HITR shows and was looking at setlists.  None of them have Real Tears for Sale, what gives?!  anyone seen one of these shows?  
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Kenmar - it's on this one that I reviewed and still available from Racket as a download:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=209990
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They did Real Tears for Sale as a preview to the album with the tour previous to HItR.
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And they did it at the last convention. Absolute stunner!

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Hey guys,

I thought I'd take a moment to chime in and seek out a recommendation.

I'm not what you would call a huge Marillion fan, my Dad has their entire collection so I've listened to most of their CD's at least once but they haven't quite clicked with me for the most part, "Clutching at Straws" is the most notable exception. 

I've tried "Brave" quite a few times and it just doesn't do it for me, I don't know why.  "Marbles" has some good moments, but I don't quite enjoy it as much as most.

Other Neo-Prog CD's that I love include "X-Rayed" and "Artificial Paradise" by Sylvan, "The Seventh House" by IQ, "Pure" by Pendragon.  Also, I love Genesis and The Flower Kings.

So if you all don't mind, give me some Marillion recommendations that you think I'll enjoy based on the things that I do enjoy.  I'd like something from both eras to throw onto my iPod for an airplane ride in a few weeks.

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Hey, Tom,

It seems to me that you are more into the hard stuff: Sylvan I am not familiar with, but I do own copies of The Seventh House and Pure. And you have listened to it all? Well, if you like the hard side of Neo-prog, I guess you should turn on Script for a Jester's Tear. You could also try not so obvious Marillion LP's e.g. Radiation (pay attention especially to "Cathedral Wall" - bare in mind this album may sound poppy to you). Then I'd also recommend the in 2001 released Anoraknophobia. This album has got a very different approach from most of Marillion's discography: it is very synthy and has an '80-ies pop-sound to it (like Rush's Hold Your Fire, for example).
 
Anyway, try these a couple of times and let us know if they were of your liking ^.^
 
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If you don't like Brave, then I'm assuming you don't like Sylvan's Posthumous Silence because I see a lot of similarities between the two. Both are brilliant.

You may want to confer with Joel because he couldn't get into Brave either (as could I), but really took the time to listen to it and now he loves it. As for me, it's the best disc I own.

You may also want to try Seasons End. A lot of the songs they were working on for Clutching At Straws  transitioned over to that disc, so you may enjoy that one. Besides, it has "Easter", which is such a brilliant song.

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Easter is excellent.  A song that I really like, from This Strange Engine of all places, is Estonia.
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Hey Tom!
As for Brave, it took me an incredibly long time to get into. Listening to it in the dark was the key for me to begin enjoying it, and it eventually just clicked. I find its an album you really have to give lots of time and energy to really start to begin enjoying. Since you like Clutching At Straws, I'd reccomend you try either Seasons End, Misplaced Childhood and/or Afraid Of Sunlight.
I agree with Eric's reccomendation of Season's End a lot; you can see a few parallels between Pendragon with some of the tracks, and it has some of my favourite ever Marillion tracks on it. I find it to have a much lighter and rockier sound than a lot of their later works, which is really enjoyable too.
Misplaced Childhood has a sound which is a little similar to Clutching At Straws, although its a lot less dark lyrically. That was my first Marillion album, and I loved it nearly instantly.
Afraid Of Sunlight is another disc which took me quite a while to appreciate, although now that I do, I wouldn't be without it. It has a similar lyrical vibe to CaS, also mainly focussing around alcoholism and the troubles of fame. It has a slower sound than the other two albums, although its still really
good stuff which I think you'd enjoy.

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I agree with all the points made re Brave - a work of sheer genius.

However, to start Tom, I would really recommend Afraid of Sunlight from H era and Misplaced Childhood from Fish era, if nothing more because both are very accessible and give an instant insight into the peculiarities that make the band so unique and special. Use these as a springboard to the rest.
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Have ALWAYS been a total Marillion fan and great as the Fish era was I have always thought Hogarth brought a maturity to the band. I loved Fish's lyrics - but his Gabrial-esk theatricals were at times embarrassing and often distracted from the music....eg Grendel.

Fish's solo career has been excellent - and just as in the case of Steve Hackett and Genesis whose split gave us TWO fantastic collections of music - instead of one, Fish and Marillion have done the same - two great collections of music...

I totally agree with 'Brave' being as good a concept album as any ever been made and 'Marbles' surely must rate as one of the stand-out albums in the whole history of Prog. The live version of 'Invisible Man' (on the 'Marbles on the Road' DVD) gives me goose bumps - on my goose bumps! This song, in my opinion, is second only to Rachel's Birthday - "Nightingale and the Snake" as the Ultimate in Prog music.
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Thank you all for the recommendations, a lot of good stuff there so I'll throw my comments in one post.

Basileia, I gave "Radiation" a spin on the drive in to work this morning and it reminded me a little of "Brave" most notably in the recording technique.  I think both "Brave" and "Radiation" would click with me more if I listened to them in the dark with nothing else going on as someone recommended.  The problem is that much of my listening occurs during the two hours that I drive to and from work.  This means that something that I have to continually turn up to hear the soft parts then down again when it starts blaring gets tedious.  Although, maybe I'll actually give "Brave" another whirl on my flight to Nashville next week.

Also, I like your mention of Rush's "Hold Your Fire" which is actually one of my favorite Rush CD's, I'm listening to Anoraknophobia right now, "Quartz" has a nice funky feel to it.

E - I'm rather lukewarm about "Posthumous Silence", I absolutely loved it at first then it kind of lost some of it's appeal for me once I read the lyrics and figured out what it was about.  Now, it's just too emotional for me to listen to with any regularity.

All - Thank you for the recommendations, I'll be giving Misplaced Childhood, Season's End and Afraid of Sunlight and This Strange Engine a spin throughout the week and I'll let you know what I think.

Again, thank you for the recommendations.

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Originally posted by geoffbarra geoffbarra wrote:

Have ALWAYS been a total Marillion fan and great as the Fish era was I have always thought Hogarth brought a maturity to the band. I loved Fish's lyrics - but his Gabrial-esk theatricals were at times embarrassing and often distracted from the music....eg Grendel.

Fish's solo career has been excellent - and just as in the case of Steve Hackett and Genesis whose split gave us TWO fantastic collections of music - instead of one, Fish and Marillion have done the same - two great collections of music...

I totally agree with 'Brave' being as good a concept album as any ever been made and 'Marbles' surely must rate as one of the stand-out albums in the whole history of Prog. The live version of 'Invisible Man' (on the 'Marbles on the Road' DVD) gives me goose bumps - on my goose bumps! This song, in my opinion, is second only to Rachel's Birthday - "Nightingale and the Snake" as the Ultimate in Prog music.


Can't argue with any of that!!ClapClap

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Even though Brave is my favorite, I used to recommend something like Afraid Of Sunlight or Seasons End because I thought it would ease them in a bit; but, these days I tell people to get Brave because you get the best of both worlds. You get the sinister and the brooding ("Living With The Big Lie; "Mad"), to the somber and melancholic ("Hollow Man"), to the absolutely soaring and triumphant ("Runaway", "The Great Escape"). To me, Brave has everything that I want in an album.

I've said it before: it's the best CD I own. Period.

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Originally posted by geoffbarra geoffbarra wrote:

Have ALWAYS been a total Marillion fan and great as the Fish era was I have always thought Hogarth brought a maturity to the band. I loved Fish's lyrics - but his Gabrial-esk theatricals were at times embarrassing and often distracted from the music....eg Grendel.

Fish's solo career has been excellent - and just as in the case of Steve Hackett and Genesis whose split gave us TWO fantastic collections of music - instead of one, Fish and Marillion have done the same - two great collections of music...

I totally agree with 'Brave' being as good a concept album as any ever been made and 'Marbles' surely must rate as one of the stand-out albums in the whole history of Prog. The live version of 'Invisible Man' (on the 'Marbles on the Road' DVD) gives me goose bumps - on my goose bumps! This song, in my opinion, is second only to Rachel's Birthday - "Nightingale and the Snake" as the Ultimate in Prog music.


I like this guys way of thinkin'!

I've been a member of this site for a few years now, and I've seen a passing of the torch (if you will). At first I thought I was the lone voice in the wilderness singing the praises of this incarnation of Marillion. There were a couple of us, but it seemed like the people wanting to smash down the Hogarth era were far louder; but, not anymore. I'm seeing more and more people stepping up and say, "You know, that era of Marillion is, indeed, great; but, it's been 20 years now. THIS is Marillion and it's pretty @#&! amazing" Evidently something is happening because Marillion aren't only surviving, but they're thriving. If anything, they're getting more and more believers every day and they are still mentioned as one of more important bands of the genre.

There will always be devoted fans of the Fish era. Hell, I like the Fish era, but that chapter has been closed for over 20 years. This band isn't only producing quality music, but they are always pushing the envelope...never wanting to remain stagnant, but discovering new ways to keep it fresh for them...and for us.

I would also invite any naysayers to catch them live. I know I mention the convention a lot, but it was so special. What this band is capable of on stage leaves me breathless. Everybody was captivated. Everybody was one with the band. It's so hard to explain. And what they gave us that weekend will never be forgotten. I wish everyone could experience the thunderous ovation (and I'm dead serious...the applause was deafening) after "Afraid Of Sunlight". Watching how stunned the band was to receive such praise and love was so cool. I just remember Trewavas and Hogarth just looking at each other in utter amazement.

Do yourselves a favor...catch this band live. You won't regret it. Hopefully I'll be enjoying it side by side with my buddy Steve (Lazland) in Holland next year.

Keep the faith, guys. Keep the faith.

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Welcome to the Round Table Geoff, great to have another believe around! Hope you enjoy the site (and particularly this thread) as much as I do!

Also, as Eric said with the live performances, I think they'd be mind blowing. Actually, I'm certain they would be! I was literally blown away by the DVD performances (and I mean blown away) so I can't begin to explain how intense the atmosphere must be seeing these guys live in the flesh.
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Joel, I've seen some great concerts in my day--Springsteen on the Born In the USA tour, The Police on the Synchronicity tour, and U2 on the Elevation tour (to name a few). Marillion blew them all away.

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