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Posted: January 08 2010 at 14:12 |
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Do the people who think PF suck also think that all the people who like them are completely nuts? If a lot of people like something there's usually a good reason behind it. |
For some reason, a lot of the people who don't like PF come off as former PF fans who over did it, or their musical taste changed and now they have had a revelation: PF isn't good! I, the lowly prog fan, must denounce this so-called king of prog, for I have listened, and deemed him unworthy. 
Perhaps a little too sarcastic, but these threads never seem to focus on the actual music, just the fact that PF isn't prog.
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First of all let me say this, I am an over the hill burn-out that grew up on the music of Pink Floyd. Do you remember back in the late 60's and early 70's how kids like me were subjected to bands who added progressive elements to their music? Well, there is your answer. Mostly everyone from the mad days generation thought the band to be progressive in that fashion or for those who did not understand the term, just thought they were a bit too strange. Fairport Convention were thought to be progressive like Jethro Tull were, especially on the Liege and Lief album. After Keith Emerson became well known, the concept of applying more notes formed a solid definition of prog to most. And then bands that added progressive elements to their music became somewhat outside of the prog circle by many prog fans. Things just happened this way and being a smuck, I could not tell you why? It's not such a bad thing but, it is when Floyd get the shaft. They were on tour with Soft Machine and Hendrix at a time when progressive music was evolving. Zappa had the Mothers of Invention on the west coast. Everything in rock music was still brewing. Keith Emerson and the Nice etc.
Then there is the history. Barrett of course wrote this psychedelic album Piper. He, himself always considered it to be simply a collection of songs and nothing else. In otherwords, he could not see what all the fuss was about. He opened doors and made paths for other musicians and writers to explore. He was not a great musician by any means. He was an innovator by all means. He was chased down or hounded by punkers who knocked on his door. The punk rockers for the most part loved Barrett. Syd was influential to punk rockers and space rockers. Waters claimed that Syd taught him when not to play. He relates that concept on the piece "Breathe" from DSOTM. When Barrett refused to play the BBC, Richard Wright stated that he actually felt the same way and many great musicians in London at the time felt that way. Wright explained that in their environment many musicians thought of success to be tasteless. It was common ground then. Today you have people with zero talent and they are looking for stardom. Floyd were an art rock band. Atom Heart Mother, Ummagumma, Saucerful, More, Relics, Meddle, Obscured by Clouds can be placed into the space rock genre or simply art rock from the 70's. Sometimes I wonder if Tangerine Dream were influenced by the early Floyd. So if you review the basics of their history, you can clearly see how they changed music and why they deserve to be in the prog genre. 4 guys from art school that took their chances in 1966 by bringing in a new style of rock. Space Rock, Art Rock, whatever, they did it. They took that plunge. Syd liked the Beatles but the Floyd was much different in style. Space rock jamming to be exact. They influenced Hawkwind and the later style of the Floyd I can hear on 90'S Camel records. Think about real hard and things will come to mind. Think about who you listen to and make an observation. You will most likely hear Pink Floyd in other prog band's music. Prog bands that get more credit than the Floyd. |
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 14:29 |
No, I absolutely love Pink Floyd and nothing & no one can change it. Thank you, come again :- )
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 14:43 |
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Do the people who think PF suck also think that all the people who like them are completely nuts? If a lot of people like something there's usually a good reason behind it. |
For some reason, a lot of the people who don't like PF come off as former PF fans who over did it, or their musical taste changed and now they have had a revelation: PF isn't good! I, the lowly prog fan, must denounce this so-called king of prog, for I have listened, and deemed him unworthy. 
Perhaps a little too sarcastic, but these threads never seem to focus on the actual music, just the fact that PF isn't prog.
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First of all let me say this, I am an over the hill burn-out that grew up on the music of Pink Floyd. Do you remember back in the late 60's and early 70's how kids like me were subjected to bands who added progressive elements to their music? Well, there is your answer. Mostly everyone from the mad days generation thought the band to be progressive in that fashion or for those who did not understand the term, just thought they were a bit too strange. Fairport Convention were thought to be progressive like Jethro Tull were, especially on the Liege and Lief album. After Keith Emerson became well known, the concept of applying more notes formed a solid definition of prog to most. And then bands that added progressive elements to their music became somewhat outside of the prog circle by many prog fans. Things just happened this way and being a smuck, I could not tell you why? It's not such a bad thing but, it is when Floyd get the shaft. They were on tour with Soft Machine and Hendrix at a time when progressive music was evolving. Zappa had the Mothers of Invention on the west coast. Everything in rock music was still brewing. Keith Emerson and the Nice etc.
Then there is the history. Barrett of course wrote this psychedelic album Piper. He, himself always considered it to be simply a collection of songs and nothing else. In otherwords, he could not see what all the fuss was about. He opened doors and made paths for other musicians and writers to explore. He was not a great musician by any means. He was an innovator by all means. He was chased down or hounded by punkers who knocked on his door. The punk rockers for the most part loved Barrett. Syd was influential to punk rockers and space rockers. Waters claimed that Syd taught him when not to play. He relates that concept on the piece "Breathe" from DSOTM. When Barrett refused to play the BBC, Richard Wright stated that he actually felt the same way and many great musicians in London at the time felt that way. Wright explained that in their environment many musicians thought of success to be tasteless. It was common ground then. Today you have people with zero talent and they are looking for stardom. Floyd were an art rock band. Atom Heart Mother, Ummagumma, Saucerful, More, Relics, Meddle, Obscured by Clouds can be placed into the space rock genre or simply art rock from the 70's. Sometimes I wonder if Tangerine Dream were influenced by the early Floyd. So if you review the basics of their history, you can clearly see how they changed music and why they deserve to be in the prog genre. 4 guys from art school that took their chances in 1966 by bringing in a new style of rock. Space Rock, Art Rock, whatever, they did it. They took that plunge. Syd liked the Beatles but the Floyd was much different in style. Space rock jamming to be exact. They influenced Hawkwind and the later style of the Floyd I can hear on 90'S Camel records. Think about real hard and things will come to mind. Think about who you listen to and make an observation. You will most likely hear Pink Floyd in other prog band's music. Prog bands that get more credit than the Floyd. |
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Posted: January 08 2010 at 21:54 |
About other prog musicians apreciating Pink Floyd, when they were inducted to the Hall of Fame, I read a comment by Rick Wakeman in which he said something like 'in the Genesis book of Rock, in the beginning God said "Let there be Pink Floyd"'.
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Posted: January 09 2010 at 05:57 |
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TD were definitely influenced by PF. TD's debut album Electronic Meditation owes a huge debt to A Saucerful of Secrets (the track).
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Posted: January 09 2010 at 08:01 |
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Sometimes I wonder if Tangerine Dream were influenced by the early Floyd. |
TD were definitely influenced by PF. TD's debut album Electronic Meditation owes a huge debt to A Saucerful of Secrets (the track). |
Agreed. I recall Froese has said this in an interview at sometime.
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Posted: January 09 2010 at 08:05 |
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Sometimes I wonder if Tangerine Dream were influenced by the early Floyd. |
TD were definitely influenced by PF. TD's debut album Electronic Meditation owes a huge debt to A Saucerful of Secrets (the track). |
Agreed. I recall Froese has said this in an interview at sometime. |
I second that. When I first listened to Electronic Meditation (Micky is a huge fan of early TD), I noticed it often sounded like a dead ringer for ASOS (incidentally, my favourite PF album).
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Posted: January 09 2010 at 08:52 |
As a fan the of Mighty Floyd for the past 24 long years I won´t say that I am sick of the floyd Never, but I had giving a long break of their most popular albums. As matter of fact I listen to those albums not very ofter not because I don´t love them, but because I do love them and I don´ty want to get of them. There are over 1,000 other bands that I can listen to when I get a bit tire od the Dark side Of The Moon.
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I know that you may not believe me and I am not intent on going against your word. I have met many fantastic guitar players and keyboardists who sadly do not travel a road beyond Clapton. That realization within itself kills me. I have always been a bit confused about it. It might be the area that I reside in. Or possibly some really talented adults and kids do not absorb music culture to that degree. It's hard to believe that a person would have abundance of talent and close doors on music history. It's quite insane when a kid has been working so hard to play a Clapton or Beck piece and progresses at a slow pace, while the next student has the ability to learn and play a technical fusion piece without effort in about 20 minutes time, then turns to me and says: please don't ask me to play this kind of music again, lets get back to playing Mississippi Queen by Mountain. This example (which is based on years of experience), is what drives me to pose the simple but un-answered question in my mind as to how and why this happens? I am blown away by this reality and don't really have an answer for it. I am positive and more than willing to give adults and kids what they really want out of music. They just baffle me beyond belief. How do you describe the meaning of this? Or if there even is one? Don't you think this is strange? or is the reason or rhyme staring me in the face? But I think that your point sums it up, no matter how many musicians I have witnessed with this mentality. |
I have had a similar experiences - I met a young guitarist who knew more about metal guitarists than anyone I've ever met and could rattle off riffs and solos with ease. He asked me who my faves were and I listed people like Beck, Gilmour, Catherine, McGeoch, Akkerman, Frith, Hackett and was met with a blank stare. However, this guy then went out and bought albums by most of these people, and his guitar playing changed as a result - the manic shredding didn't exactly disappear, but it became more refined, measured and controlled. |
I always despair at people who measure a guitarist's skill by the number of notes per second.
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And most of those who measure the skill of a guitarist by the number of notes per second are often beginner musicians anyway. I don't know a single musician who advanced beyond the point of beginner who thinks like that.
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Posted: January 10 2010 at 19:03 |
I personally hate that magnus-status Pink Floyd have. I don´t hate their music, like some songs, but I think their fame is very very very excessive. They will never remain in my top 100 lists, I´m sorry. There are so many amazing bands...
Pink Floyd over here, over there. They are the favourite band of all those snobs who don´t know anything about prog talking after a Muse or PT concert...PF it´s cool, yeah.
Well, that´s my humble opinion. Thanks.
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Posted: January 10 2010 at 23:51 |
never sick o da floyd, just the ENDLESS magazine covers n features.........is there anything that fans dont already know abt the Wall, DSOTM etc etc etc etc etc etc?????
well........maybe if they did a feature on Ummagumma i'll get that HAHAHAHA
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Posted: January 11 2010 at 12:47 |
Yes, but not me.
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Posted: January 11 2010 at 12:55 |
Here's my prescription for getting sick of Pink Floyd: quit listening
to it quit reading threads on the band. It's really not too
difficult. If you like the band, listen to it less often. There is a
whole world of other music out there for you to try. You know what I get sick of? Moronic pointless threads. I apologize in advance if that was a bit harsh.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: January 11 2010 at 13:25 |
Very simple answer to that one ...... NO!!! I've loved Floyd for more than 30 years and will NEVER be sick of them.
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Posted: January 11 2010 at 13:29 |
Nope. Like most bands there will be times that I don't listen to them, but sick of them. Never.
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Posted: January 11 2010 at 13:39 |
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Here's my prescription for getting sick of Pink Floyd: quit listening to it quit reading threads on the band. It's really not too difficult. If you like the band, listen to it less often. There is a whole world of other music out there for you to try. You know what I get sick of? Moronic pointless threads. I apologize in advance if that was a bit harsh.
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Oooooowwww! 
Harsh Mr Bartfast 
But fair! 
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Very simple answer to that one ...... NO!!! I've loved Floyd for more than 30 years and will NEVER be sick of them.
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Posted: January 11 2010 at 14:32 |
I agree...early on this post I suggested the OP just take a break from the Floyd. Either you don't like them and its a useless post. Or you do like them and are just tired of listening and maybe looking for alternate suggestions.
I admit I listen to Rush way too much....But they are my favorite, they have so much material that I can jump around and do OK. PF has much material that I can't imagine not doing the same.
"Moronic pointless thread...." maybe, only if the OP really does not like Pink Floyd.
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I know that you may not believe me and I am not intent on going against your word. I have met many fantastic guitar players and keyboardists who sadly do not travel a road beyond Clapton. That realization within itself kills me. I have always been a bit confused about it. It might be the area that I reside in. Or possibly some really talented adults and kids do not absorb music culture to that degree. It's hard to believe that a person would have abundance of talent and close doors on music history. It's quite insane when a kid has been working so hard to play a Clapton or Beck piece and progresses at a slow pace, while the next student has the ability to learn and play a technical fusion piece without effort in about 20 minutes time, then turns to me and says: please don't ask me to play this kind of music again, lets get back to playing Mississippi Queen by Mountain. This example (which is based on years of experience), is what drives me to pose the simple but un-answered question in my mind as to how and why this happens? I am blown away by this reality and don't really have an answer for it. I am positive and more than willing to give adults and kids what they really want out of music. They just baffle me beyond belief. How do you describe the meaning of this? Or if there even is one? Don't you think this is strange? or is the reason or rhyme staring me in the face? But I think that your point sums it up, no matter how many musicians I have witnessed with this mentality. |
I have had a similar experiences - I met a young guitarist who knew more about metal guitarists than anyone I've ever met and could rattle off riffs and solos with ease. He asked me who my faves were and I listed people like Beck, Gilmour, Catherine, McGeoch, Akkerman, Frith, Hackett and was met with a blank stare. However, this guy then went out and bought albums by most of these people, and his guitar playing changed as a result - the manic shredding didn't exactly disappear, but it became more refined, measured and controlled. |
I always despair at people who measure a guitarist's skill by the number of notes per second.
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And most of those who measure the skill of a guitarist by the number of notes per second are often beginner musicians anyway. I don't know a single musician who advanced beyond the point of beginner who thinks like that.
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I believe that I am making reference to the social environment in much of South Jersey. Many fathers who would not allow their kid to learn a Beatles song simply because of the Christ statement. Parents that discourage a kid to learn jazz because they have issues with the black community. Dear ole' American Dad who expects the wife to wait on him, beats his kid and force feeds him the music of Clapton, ZZ Top and Jimmy Page. Various music is forbidden in his house. The guitar instructor has to teach only what the father wishes for his son to learn because it's the music he grew up on. Lack of culture, back in the woods methods and concepts and religion have influenced kids that have talent, to play lack-luster music. The sad reality of this is the fact that they stay on the same path. It's okay to play melodic and simple music but, if it's all your ever going to play, well then, you simply won't grow naturally. It's like being the turks and going up against Dracula's army. There are many counties in south jersey where this remains vast and even more today. So it runs a little deeper than opinions on music. Many of these kids never see the real truth because of their upbringing. The ones that have a mind of their own sometimes end up feeling rather bitter after waking up to the realization they've been brainwashed, others don't. I think this occurs more in the United States. This mentality might be out-numbered in Europe by the artistic parents that insist on the child having diverse exposure in music. South Jersey hasn't too much of that. Here we have college musicians, bands, studio players etc. but we are still out-numbered by the people from Green Acres.
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