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jampa17 
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 Posted: October 12 2009 at 10:27 |
 The Quiet One wrote:
Mind you, that I would never buy such a special edition for a album that I haven't heard. |
Jajaja.. I was really scared bout the $300 thing... really... here in Guatemala I pay $40 (american dollars) for the special edition... and after listening to it, I was happy to skip buying the DELUXE EDITION... which seems so great... but was too damn expensive... then... if there was a Deluxe Edition of Scenes I would probably buy it... I remember I pay something like $250 for the special edition of their two books biography with an special CD... and I was really happy about that... but for Black Clouds... sorry... I wouldn't...
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jampa17
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 10:35 |
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I actually like what Rudess has done in Dream Theater, as someone said, insane, but cooly insane. I also liked what Moore did with Dream Theater, in a rather different way. I guess Rudess actually fits better with the rest of Dream Theater than Moore, and thus Dream Theater actually reached it's sound with the inclusion of Rudess. On the other hand, perhaps Moore, while not fitting so well as Rudess on the band style, actually helped them to make a more diverse style, and soften and slow down the sound of the band. In the end I guess both of them gave great things to the band and it's albums while they have been with the band. |
I could not be more disagree with these... how could someone said that Moore didn't fit with DT... he actually made the sound of DT... If you heard the first album... what was so special from DT was the keyboard sound and ambient... and he can really play great fast solos and everything... but he worrys to ment something and not just show off... hear Learning to Live or Take the Time... that was creativity... Rudess could never match those two... even though... he's good, he's great... but he just have no control over his fingers and go on and on... I said another thing... the great thing about their first 3 albums was that Kevin Moore really mantain the line... so DT didn't fall into extreme excercises... which is what happens more often now... you know... the last minute sections from Home or This Dying Soul... so unnecesary for the songs... that's it...!!!
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Dellinger
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 20:54 |
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Hey, I really love Learning to live. Take the Time I don't really remember very much anyway. But there's more examples to why Moore helped them on the sound (Space Dye Vest is a favourite of mine). What I meant is that Rudess has a more similar style of playing compared to the rest of the group than Moore, thus I say that I feel that Rudess fits better on the group, and to certain extent that is good. However, Moore kind of rather complemented the sound and made it a little bit more diverse. With Rudess the sound is kind of more frantic all the time, while Moore would serve as an anchor to the sound, keeping some slow melodic part to the sound. Ofcourse we could hear some fast interplay with the rest of the band by Moore.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: October 21 2009 at 20:30 |
Love DT. I get the impression on this site, though, that they are one of the most hated bands here :(
I think they're perhaps a little too metal for the progheads, and a bit too prog for the metalheads. Over on metal sites, you get people saying that they're too 'twiddly' and 'w**ky'. I think all the bandmembers are extremely good musicians. if you've got it, flaunt it.
And this myth that they can't write songs. DT have many great songs. Sometimes they pad them out with unnecessary solos, but they're still one of my favourite bands at the moment.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: October 21 2009 at 20:35 |
Dellinger wrote:
Hey, I really love Learning to live. Take the Time I don't really remember very much anyway. But there's more examples to why Moore helped them on the sound (Space Dye Vest is a favourite of mine). What I meant is that Rudess has a more similar style of playing compared to the rest of the group than Moore, thus I say that I feel that Rudess fits better on the group, and to certain extent that is good. However, Moore kind of rather complemented the sound and made it a little bit more diverse. With Rudess the sound is kind of more frantic all the time, while Moore would serve as an anchor to the sound, keeping some slow melodic part to the sound. Ofcourse we could hear some fast interplay with the rest of the band by Moore. |
I agree with this. Moore grounded the band a lot of the time, and thus, instrumental w**kery isn't that common on their first 3 albums. Moore was about atmosphere. He wasn't too intrusive. Sherinian brought a different dynamic to the band. His was almost like a jazz-fusion style of piano. Rudess likes to have his solo spots. All 3 keyboardists they've had have added a very different style to the mix.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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The Block
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Posted: October 22 2009 at 18:23 |
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I like Rudess's style the best.
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jampa17
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Posted: October 22 2009 at 18:43 |
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I think that Jordan has worked on his 6th album with the band and still cannot avoid the shadow of Kevin Moore, and that happen because Moore give a lot more interesting things to the band... I like Rudess and still believe his work on Six Degrees is the Ultimate, but jut to listen to Images and Words and it seems so clear that Moore was prepared for rock, I guess Jordan still is experimenting with his sound and always end up doing crazy and fast solos rather than develop some interesting part as Kevin did... Sherinian also is a great keyboard player, but too different to the band... he had short hair..!!!! but honestly... I see Derek better in planet X... there he has the space to show his skills...
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Posted: October 22 2009 at 19:52 |
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Yeah. I feel that Derek came into the band at the worst possible time. He didn't really get the chance to prove himself in the time he was in the band. I've heard a couple of people say that he was the worst of the three keyboardists, until I refer them to those Planet X albums. Seems to change their minds
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Posted: October 22 2009 at 21:45 |
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I would rather say that the album in which he played (Derek) was the most uninteresting to me, not that he was the worst player. I wouldn't dare say such a thing because I don't know enough music from him.
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Posted: October 22 2009 at 21:54 |
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So, who's got the best discography out of Dream Theater between Moore, Sherinian, and Rudess?
Edited by Dellinger - October 22 2009 at 21:57
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jampa17
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 10:47 |
Dellinger wrote:
So, who's got the best discography out of Dream Theater between Moore, Sherinian, and Rudess? |
I'm fan of Moore, and I can say The Chroma Key and O.S.I. are a lot better than all the solo albums from Sherinian and Rudess... you know, maybe "the best" depends on each opinion, but O.S.I. is great and is more creative, I mean, they experiment more and better than the other two, who sometimes have enough just showing their skill and speedness... but not making arrangements or developing moods and creative songs... I guess...
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Marty McFly
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Posted: November 27 2009 at 01:17 |
Why is everyone blaming their latest album ? I mean, it's not so bad after all. Actually, it's great.
Cheesy becomes quite popular word for those who simply don't like it, don't consider it good as it seems to me.
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jampa17
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Posted: November 27 2009 at 09:16 |
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Yeah... their last album is quite great with great moods that most other bands wish to reach at some point... I think there's a lot of progheads that are not prepared to a prog metal band, and there's a lot of people who dislike DT because theyr'e more popular than most of the new prog bands... If you see, there are always comparisson with Porcupine Tree and i'ts very stupid... I mean, PT is not even metal and most of their fans makes stupid comparisson while DT remains more popular and succesful than PT... I mean... there's too much hate against the most significant prog band in last 20 years... but hell, doesn't matter... they are still in shape so...
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 02:18 |
^Hang on! I like both D and PT a lot.  There's no need to really compare them. They have very different sounds. Besides the two seem to be on good terms, because Steven Wilson appeared on DTs Systematic Chaos album; and Rudess showed up on Wilson's solo disc.
I agree with you that the comparisons between the two are not really appropriate. They take modern prog in two very different directions. A better comparison to DT would be Symphony X.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 02:21 |
jampa17 wrote:
Sherinian also is a great keyboard player, but too different to the band... he had short hair..!!!! |
Rudess has NO hair! 
Although I suppose he did when he first joined the band, so..
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 02:34 |
Yep, he had long hair
but as years passed, he took image on "this weird bald guy, who's incredibly skilled player"
Edited by Marty McFly - November 28 2009 at 02:35
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Posted: November 28 2009 at 19:01 |
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I'll never understand how anyone can deny Awake as their best album. |
Awake is slowly becoming my favorite DT album, along with Scenes and Images and Words. It is probably the most complex and deep album they released ever. The melodies and harmony are so well built and (somehow) hermetic and the lyrics are possibly the most artsy thing Petrucci, Moore and Portnoy have ever written. Possibly in a year or so it will be my favorite. I'm coming to the conclusion that everyone that rated Awake below 4 stars have underestimated the album and moved on. EDIT: about Black Clouds and Silver Linings, what a great album. I think that they will improve the quality even more in the next release (at least that is what I hope) and deliver a truly killer album, AGAIN! Got the special edition and I am very pleased with it.
Edited by CCVP - November 28 2009 at 19:10
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 02:55 |
Dellinger wrote:
So, who's got the best discography out of Dream Theater between Moore, Sherinian, and Rudess? |
Rudess, by a country mile. All my favourite DT albums feature Rudess on keys.
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jampa17
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 08:10 |
Roj M30 wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
So, who's got the best discography out of Dream Theater between Moore, Sherinian, and Rudess? |
Rudess, by a country mile. All my favourite DT albums feature Rudess on keys. |
hey dude, he said OUT of DT, as side projects or solo projects... and I insists that Moore have better discography... maybe Liquid Tension Exp. is the best Rudess has done, but his solo albums are not that shinning or interesting in any way... but, it's a matter of tastes right...??? I like less solos and more developing... but even in that range, I like more Planet X, which music is more focus and have a particular mood more that just showing off...
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 11:47 |
Marty McFly wrote:
Yep, he had long hair
but as years passed, he took image on "this weird bald guy, who's incredibly skilled player" |
You mean the incredibly skilled player with an awesome gotee???
Edited by The Block - November 30 2009 at 11:47
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