Porcupine Tree for Eclectic?

I think it wasn't such an error considering where PT was going to in the "Deadwing" era... But if you see their discography as a whole, the band seems a good fit for eclectic. And I would predict that with the band in that genre nobody would want to move them again. That's the advantage of that genre, being "eclectic". All a band has to be is a combination of styles and it'll become difficult to argue against it being there.

Raff wrote: They've already been moved once, from Space/Psych to HP. I don't see how anyone would really benefit from this game of ping-pong. This obsession with the 'perfect fit' is what is keeping dozens of up-and-coming prog bands out of the site, as well as having PA ridiculed around the internet. As a long-time member of this site, I don't like to see comments such as the ones I saw in a thread at Progressive Ears - unfortunately, they were quite true for the most part. Anyway, while I agree that some form of categorization is useful (libraries would be impossible to use without categories), I can't help feeling that for some members it has become more important than the music itself.

Not that I totally disagree, Raff, but please keep in mind that we are probably the largest and most well-known Prog site on the net right now, and anybody who puts us down for one reason or another is most likely the fox grumbling about the sour grapes. I'm willing to bet that most complaints about this site comes from many people who have started trouble here, then gotten banned. There is no logical reason to dislike a website such as this one, since its main purpose is to be an indepth, resourceful archive, and I think we do that better than anyone.

Any other problems a person may have with us is not a good enough reason to stop coming here.



Now, on to the PT thingy . . .

I personally don't think they should have ever been moved from where they were originally. Now all it's done is ignite yet another argument for them to be moved once again. Space-Rock and Eclectic both suit them far better than 'Heavy Prog' in my opinion, but it's just my opinion, and I'm not concerned enough with it to ask the admins to do another pointless action, when what we should be concerned with is all of the new additions to the site. My God, some people fight tooth-and-nail just to get a certain artist added, yet we now have the audacity to complain that a band that has already made it in is now in the wrong place?

Just be happy with PT being here at all, and realize that not everybody is going to be happy with where they are located.

I understand the attraction of multi-tagging but I also suspect it would not be a cure all, could end up being a bit of a mess, and would eliminate a certain democratic tension we have here; a healthy push & push-back that provides engagement and an active, intentional evaluation process rather than some people assigning tags without end or limitation.  This is not meant as a knock to those who practice multitagging, I just don't think it's the savior.   And besides, it's not as fun.




     

Edited by Atavachron - September 25 2009 at 02:25

p0mt3 wrote: Not that I totally disagree, Raff, but please keep in mind that we are probably the largest and most well-known Prog site on the net right now, and anybody who puts us down for one reason or another is most likely the fox grumbling about the sour grapes. I'm willing to bet that most complaints about this site comes from many people who have started trouble here, then gotten banned. There is no logical reason to dislike a website such as this one, since its main purpose is to be an indepth, resourceful archive, and I think we do that better than anyone. Any other problems a person may have with us is not a good enough reason to stop coming here.

Just for the record: the people who post at ProgEars are not the kind of people who would get banned, here or otherwise. The general membership there is made up of older prog fans, some of whom have grown up with the genre, much as I have, and who are into discussing music. As to PA being well-known, well... I am sorry to have to disabuse you, but when Micky and I went to NEARfest in June, we met quite a lot of blank stares from the people to whom we mentioned PA.

I don't believe it is fair to say that those who don't like the site do so because of sour grapes. Personally, I think that a continuous flow of destructive criticism is a bad thing, but denying the existence of problems that may drive people away (I know, because I have left on several occasions) is equally damaging. In my humble opinion, when on an 'in-depth, resourceful archive' there are still many missing or inadequate bios, unreviewed albums, and incomplete album data, there is more reason for worry than the placement of Porcupine Tree or whatever.



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Edited by Tony R - September 25 2009 at 07:48

Windhawk wrote: As long as HP feels they belong where they are, they will stay. If HP would like to move the band, Neo wouldn't mind having them. Read the last three or so paragraphs of the revised Neo definition to see why.

I think that Neo would suit them better than eclectic, or HP for that matter.

Nope. They fit fine in Heavy Prog. They might be prog metal if we're pushing it, but they're fine where they are. As for eclectic or neo, not even close.

Hope this helps,
-Jeff

inrainbows wrote: A Person wrote: Windhawk wrote: As long as HP feels they belong where they are, they will stay. If HP would like to move the band, Neo wouldn't mind having them. Read the last three or so paragraphs of the revised Neo definition to see why. I think that Neo would suit them better than eclectic, or HP for that matter. I don't think so, not even close, can't they stay where they are ? Please .... They're great , so what's the point for moving them?

Exactly. PT is fine where they are, and there's no sense in moving them.

^ well exactly. No band can be moved unless both teams agree.

^ Are there specific elements that would suggest eclectic? I used to think that "eclectic" simply means that they use a broad range of styles.

^ Well, then I submit that PT - even on their latest albums - use elements of Psych/Space Rock, Heavy Prog, Crossover Prog and Avant-Prog.