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Big Ears
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Topic: Sneering from a position of concealment Posted: September 09 2009 at 03:59 |
My main reason for visiting this site is for discussions or information on progressive rock. I do not like sniping (on myself or others) and feel that it can blight an otherwise superior site. We all have our moments, but it seems there are those who frequent the site for no other purpose than to score points. They contribute nothing. The last time I commented on this topic, I was told I was too vague, but to analyse individual examples is to play into these people's hands. Rule 4 is No sniping and the details tell us not to engage that member; so should not clear examples be deleted in the same way that other less innocuous postings are swiftly removed? It is not reasonable to avoid contributing for fear of being sneered at from a concealed position. On this basis, people with something to add on progressive rock do not do so and the timewasters proliferate.
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npjnpj
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 05:09 |
I don't think that sniping is a problem on this site. Do you have any specific complaints? No need to point the finger, but your post does seem a bit vague.
I take it that you have a genuine complaint, but I suppose it's also possible that you feel either personally vicitmised or have witnessed exchanges that make you feel uncomfortable?
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Big Ears
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 05:20 |
We'll agree to disagree onthe first point. Both experienced and witnessed to the second. On the next occasion I encounter sniping, I'll try to be specific without playing into the sniper's hands.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 07:50 |
I think this is a well-moderated forum,the admins do as much as they possibly can to make this a nice place to come visit and talk about this music that we love(among other things).
If you see any instances of sniping or anything that you feel violates the forum rules and regulations hit the report button.Us admins receive those reports via email,and they get taken care of quickly.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 08:02 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
I think this is a well-moderated forum,the admins do as much as they possibly can to make this a nice place to come visit and talk about this music that we love(among other things).
If you see any instances of sniping or anything that you feel violates the forum rules and regulations hit the report button.Us admins receive those reports via email,and they get taken care of quickly. |
Indeed they do - I've never had a problem with someone else on this forum, whereas on other forums, you'll be abused nearly daily...
This is probably the best-run forum I've ever been on, and I can't think of a member who goes out of his/her way to snipe/flame/troll others.
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paulwalker71
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 08:16 |
As a long time lurker who recently de-lurked with considerable fear and trepidation, I have to say that I haven't experienced any sniping, abuse or flaming on this site - and, believe me, I looked in from the outside for a good while before I first replied to a post. I've been a member of many internet forums, and been on the receiving end of some heavy stuff, so I think I speak from some experience when I say that generally speaking this is a well run and safe site. That's my 2 cents anyway
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 08:24 |
What TheProgtologist said. Report it, it will be adressed, end of story. Quicker than generalizing the phenomenon, too.
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Chris S
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 08:26 |
Big Ears wrote:
We'll agree to disagree onthe first point. Both experienced and witnessed to the second. On the next occasion I encounter sniping, I'll try to be specific without playing into the sniper's hands. |
Why don't you just visit another site if it distresses you. We are all happy here for the most part
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 09:38 |
Big Ears wrote:
We'll agree to disagree onthe first point. Both
experienced and witnessed to the second. On the next occasion I
encounter sniping, I'll try to be specific without playing into the
sniper's hands. |
Your ability to seek sniping can let you to be a new reporter.
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Marty McFly
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 11:12 |
Wow, topic in which name I don't know 1.5 words. Sneer = look ?
Oh and to be honest, I feel good here. Non answered topics bothers me sometimes, also fact that most people visits and posts (including me) just in first section here on forum, Prog lounge, but so far, no feel of being endangered. Heh, Ricochet has eye avatar, so I suppose he's watching (or at least his avatar is). And you have total of six eyes Big Ears (are these ears those of these cats?), so that's literal meaning of having pair of eyes even on my back. There is, however, one collaborator I'm little bit afraid of. He scares me (also a little bit).
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my
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Epignosis
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 11:41 |
MartyMcFly89 wrote:
Wow, topic in which name I don't know 1.5 words. Sneer = look ?
Oh and to be honest, I feel good here. Non answered topics bothers me sometimes, also fact that most people visits and posts (including me) just in first section here on forum, Prog lounge, but so far, no feel of being endangered. Heh, Ricochet has eye avatar, so I suppose he's watching (or at least his avatar is). And you have total of six eyes Big Ears (are these ears those of these cats?), so that's literal meaning of having pair of eyes even on my back. There is, however, one collaborator I'm little bit afraid of. He scares me (also a little bit). | Boo!
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Marty McFly
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 11:50 |
Epignosis wrote:
Boo! 
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Actually, you're third most scariest for me. But hell (is hell scary) I have to thank you for keeping eye on grammar level. Or at least I read post by you somewhere, that you care for good language. Also your reviews are often on the same level of stars as my are. And your posts are in to-the-topic style, something I'm not able to do.And I saw your photo, it also helps. And you don't look mean. Nope, someone else .,..
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my
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The Doctor
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 12:04 |
MartyMcFly89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Boo! 
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Actually, you're third most scariest for me.
But hell (is hell scary) I have to thank you for keeping eye on grammar level. Or at least I read post by you somewhere, that you care for good language. Also your reviews are often on the same level of stars as my are. And your posts are in to-the-topic style, something I'm not able to do.And I saw your photo, it also helps. And you don't look mean.
Nope, someone else .,.. |
Sorry about the wedgie and stuffing you into a locker. I won't bully you anymore.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 12:11 |
MartyMcFly89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Boo! 
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Actually, you're third most scariest for me. But hell (is hell scary) I have to thank you for keeping eye on grammar level. Or at least I read post by you somewhere, that you care for good language. Also your reviews are often on the same level of stars as my are. And your posts are in to-the-topic style, something I'm not able to do.And I saw your photo, it also helps. And you don't look mean. Nope, someone else .,.. |
ME ME ME!! I think a bigger problem on this site is the members that have seen every topic 100 times and prefer to highjack them or throw them off topic with random blurts and pictures.
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Padraic
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 12:15 |
Please relinquish the name of this scary collab so that we may mercilessly tease him or her.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 12:17 |
Can't be me....I'm nice.
These days.
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 12:18 |
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Marty McFly
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 12:22 |
There was a line after these dots, which I deleted, to prevent revealing the truth. You are not The One (again, Babylon 5 quote), even your Boondock new avatar is good (great movie), assuming that I'm correct in that guess. And your last one was also nice. The Doctor, you're the one who was doing this to me back in Hill Valley high school. No, I can't be mad at you
But back to topic, sniping is bad thing, very bad thing. And hard to prove. And after all, hard to think about, when you're victim, because it's the bully, who's in charge of it, who's doing it. You're terrorized by him and this affects you. Negatively. Friend tackling and argues are normal here, there's nothing bad about playing this game with someone you know for some time and both of you want it. But .. you know.
Edited by MartyMcFly89 - September 09 2009 at 12:50
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my
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Marty McFly
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 12:30 |
Padraic wrote:
Please relinquish the name of this scary collab so that we may mercilessly tease him or her.
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Somebody pointed it out in another topic. That it has something to do with avatars. For example Snow Dog, he has pleasant avatar which greets people and say: Hello, I'm nice person. And voila, he is. But you are different. You may be, as you proved from this post (kind, use of word please, keeping playing this game and not being pedant to break it), but you may be not. That's your trait. You are from Zeuhl team, you have this mystery dog with blue eyes (or wolf more likely, snow wolf ? or something else, my knowledge isn't in nature much) and so are you, mysterious person for me. But not in bad way of this word. Even this More Mysterious Person Than You, about who I'm talking about is not bad. Just keeping his distance, from me at least.
So it's avatar. One guy once wrote (here in another post), that if you want to scare the people, or frighten them, choose one special avatar. One person to be exact. hehe
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my
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Logan
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Posted: September 09 2009 at 12:39 |
Interesting topic, and a good one to discuss concerns in an impersonal manner (general perceptions). I apologise in advance for going off on tangents, but I have a disorganised mind.
I have come across sniping at this board, as with any board I frequented. As has been said, just use the report post button when you think you find cases of it, but be aware that what you find abusive may not be perceived as abusive by other people. If no action is taken, then you might consider PMing an admin to ask why, but better yet, I think, PM the person who you feel is being abusive so that you can share your concerns with that person in private, and hopefully discuss it that way. I know that I'd much rather be PMed directly about any infractions or rudeness, and would be more likely to change my course of actions than have some someone write about me. The personal touch is considerate, though I would appreciate being privately reported to the administrators with the report post button so that any offensive posts could be removed quickly. I know I have bad days, and it's not uncommon for me to write things that I regret later (of course such a person as me should be extra careful about minding my speech since I'm not always compos mentis). I'm already regretting writing this and feeling embarrassed.
I've also noticed this "scoring points" mentality with some, and I don't like that either. It's very difficult to have a rewarding discussion (exploration of ideas) with people when they're out to "win" and show superiority, and didactic people are a bit off a turn off for me, though I lean that way sometimes. It's common for people to express themselves in a black or white manner rather than be willing to explore the grey areas -- thinking true or false instead of levels of validity. I find too many judgemental, arrogant, pedantic, and sarcastic posts for my tastes, but that's been the same at every board I've belonged to (and I'm commonly guilty of coming across as obnoxious in various ways) -- others perceive things differently....
Edited by Logan - September 09 2009 at 12:40
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