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progkidjoel
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 04:34 |
im pretty sure cold play are NOT prog rock. They are boring and bleak, and unoriginal, evident in thier clockwork drumming and ripoff of Joe Satriani's "If I Could Fly"
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keiser willhelm
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 04:52 |
did you read the original post?
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lextruther
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Posted: March 02 2009 at 16:50 |
I love Cold Play.. I only liked Vida La Vida on the latest album
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Prospero
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Posted: March 15 2009 at 22:51 |
lextruther wrote:
I love Cold Play.. I only liked Vida La Vida on the latest album |
Anyone mentioned they plagiarized the great Satch? You just don't do this kind of thing. Personally, I don't like Coldplay. I was not surprised to learn they were being sued by Joe Satriani. I was not surprised to learn they had won the Grammy for album of the year (Springsteen has 19 of them Grammys). Brian Eno? I was never impressed with his "production" skills either. I always enjoy the albums from a band (Talking Heads, Roxy Music) before Brian Eno and after. That's my own "before and after science". I mean, Fear of Music, what kind of a boring album is that!? Anyhow, I do like his solo projects (and *cough* Remain in Light *cough*). In conclusion, I hope we all forget Coldplay ever existed in 20 years while Rhino records will desperately be trying to re-release their discography with 67 bonus tracks.
Edited by Prospero - March 15 2009 at 22:56
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docsolar
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Posted: April 27 2009 at 15:17 |
Excellent post, Whistler. I agree with the love the band/hate the t-shirt sentiment I presume you share with me regarding bands like My Chem and Panic at the Disco.
I think being proggy had to become "OK" again for popular consumption (after the 80's and the grunge movement), and if a popular band perpetuates the sentiment, it's still good music, even if people like it.
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Lucent
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Posted: May 03 2009 at 10:40 |
There's nothing progressive about stealing music from Joe Satriani.
And for that reason alone, Coldplay can go die of a slow, torturous, horrible death, to the point of where description would make many throw up.
Edited by Lucent - May 03 2009 at 10:57
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: May 04 2009 at 05:07 |
Coldplay is some of the most draining, insipid music I've ever heard.
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lucas
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 11:09 |
Coldpaly sound like a " shoegaze" band (shoegaze being a sub-genre of alternative rock, also called "dream pop") with hints of BritPop. Their music is not bad but can bore you to death...
If you are looking for real art-pop then listen to Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel, 10CC, Roxy Music, Dalbello...
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Prospero
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Posted: May 10 2009 at 09:59 |
lucas wrote:
Coldpaly sound like a "shoegaze" band (shoegaze being a sub-genre of alternative rock, also called "dream pop") with hints of BritPop. Their music is not bad but can bore you to death...
If you are looking for real art-pop then listen to Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel, 10CC, Roxy Music, Dalbello... |
Let's solve the mystery. Of course, the band probably sounds "Shoegaze" (never liked that appellation) at times, just like they sometimes sound like Satriani or U2. It's because they lack authenticity. Like 95% of those new alternative artists out there, they just pick and choose what they liked (probably what they've been told to like) in 80's music and repackage it. It's a shame. Radiohead (you can't deny that) + What critics liked in 80's alternative + A touch of "adult contemporary" mood + U2 veneration + Predictable and/or stolen melodies + "Newly added" Brian Eno's ball sack = Coldplay* *sh*t
Edited by Prospero - May 10 2009 at 10:02
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TheLastBaron
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Posted: June 17 2009 at 01:15 |
I am unaware of the similarities that exist between coldplays new album and joe satrianis but I do enjoy Coldplays new album quit a bit. It has a very engaging atmosphere. Brian Eno has been known for helping bands create "musical landscapes", now I'm not saying he's the best producer but he did a good job of helping coldplay create a engaging musical landscape. I also found myself liking that My Chemical Romance album you mentioned. A friend recommended it to me due to my love of Queen and Pink Floyd. He pretty much said the same thing you did, "Its Queen and the wall mixed into one, not as good and mixed with emo." I found a cheap copy and decided what the hell, if it sucks I'll give to some emo kid. It surprised me. Its not great but every now and than I'll put it on and enjoy it.
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Hyardacil
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Posted: August 05 2009 at 05:44 |
I was a huge fan of Coldplay some time ago. (Forgive me, I was young and stupid.... Well I still am young. .... and pretty stupid.... But at least I'm not a huge fan of Coldplay any longer. ) Even though I don't get high over then anymore, I still don't think that their music is totally uninspired or bland or stupid. They are a bit pretentious. And that's a good thing, if it leads somewhere. In the case of X&Y, it didn't. That and their second album are not very good. Parachutes is lovely though and I think Viva... is their best album so far. Definitely proggy. 42 is a purely prog song, I would say. My favorite song from the year. And there are some other moments that shine, too. It even has 2 instrumental-ish thingy's in it, after all. I don't think one should be ashamed of liking that particular album. Oh, and regarding the law suing because of the similarities between a Satrianis piece and Coldplay's hit. I don't think they ripped it off directly from him or consciously . This debate has spawned tens of youtube videos I made acquaintance with one boring day and quriously enough, there are actually MORE old pop songs with the EXACT same melody. I'm not kidding. That melody has travelled through pop history for quite some time now. I guess it's just such an universal one. So I'm surprised the whole thing has thus far ended with only law sue as there is potential for money for many other artists also. Besides, using this as an argument againgst Coldplay's musical quality is stupid. Even classical composers borrowed melodies from each other. And there certainly are melodies that travel through time and our subconciousness and do appear again and again in new compositions.
Edited by Hyardacil - August 05 2009 at 05:49
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pianoman
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Posted: August 05 2009 at 08:33 |
Hyardacil wrote:
Definitely proggy. 42 is a purely prog song, I would say. My favorite song from the year. |
Death and all of his Friends is very proggy to my ears as well as 42.
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Lost Follower
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Posted: August 05 2009 at 18:19 |
Anything with Coldplay involved is cack.
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Prospero
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 02:07 |
Prospero wrote:
Radiohead (you can't deny that) + What critics liked in 80's alternative + A touch of "adult contemporary" mood + U2 veneration + Predictable and/or stolen melodies + "Newly added" Brian Eno's ball sack = Coldplay*
*sh*t
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Bravo, well put!
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Conor Fynes
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 04:49 |
Loved that Cd
also loved Rush of blood to the head, which is a masterpiece.
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dante89
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 13:10 |
Very good album. But Of the year? Not quite sure. we've still got a few more months so let's see.
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mystic fred
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 01:47 |
very strange about Coldplay, they have had phenomemal album sales over the last few years but i can't find anyone, even over the net, that like them or at least hardly admit to buying an album! where are all these albums? maybe everybody has them stuffed away in a cupboard or hiding under the bed...
i can't hide my Coldplay collection - i have all their albums on vinyl
Edited by mystic fred - August 19 2009 at 01:48
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The Whistler
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 02:51 |
I know two people who are Coldplay fans and possess several of their works, and I myself (obviously) have the Viva La Vida album. Can't be helped really. I suppose this is the guilty pleasure of this generation (or some such).
dante89 wrote:
Very good album. But Of the year? Not quite sure. we've still got a few more months so let's see.
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Er...did I write this prog-blog this year? I can't quite recall...
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Any Colour You Like
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 03:06 |
Sorry if this has been posted already, but I had too. I don't actually think they are that bad, bland maybe, uninspiring perhaps... but I can think of worse.
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Little Sir John
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Posted: August 21 2009 at 19:45 |
Goodness gracious. How is this thread still going on.... Anyway, I'd just like to say one thing, even though I know there are plenty of people who will hate me for it. I absolutely loved Viva la Vida. No joke, it is one of the most amazing albums I've ever heard.... maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration, but it is so great. Death and All His Friends is spectacular, especially when you add in The Escapist at the end so it all sounds like one amazing art rock song. It progresses so nicely. Strawberry Swings is so beautiful. It's such a great love song. The title track is okay, Violet Hill okay. Lost is fun, I love the Latin percussion. Lovers in Japan is also great and Yes which is also very art rock. 42 is another strong art rock song. Oh, and who could forget Life in Technicolor. Who does instrumentals anymore? It really is a pretty simple instrumental, but Prospekt's March's Life in Techincolor ii is powerful and amazing. The rest of the stuff on Prospekt's March is really strong too, but not quite as art rock as Death and All His Friends.
I honestly don't know why I love this album so much, but I do. I like older Coldplay, but it's just not the same. Mr. Eno is an amazing man. I don't mean to say it's prog. It's not. Art rock though I really think so. I think we'll have to wait and see what they do with their next real album though. I really hope they keep on moving in this direction.
I think one of the reasons I'm so satisfied with this album is because it's one of the fewmusical tastes I share with most of the people around me. I like the sense of community that I get from my love of Coldplay. If only my friends would start listening to Close to the Edge....
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