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Thanks for the supporting comments on my issue, guys. I appreciate it (and of course we are all very right with our comments) and I would like to state one more thing about the matter: read Sean Trane's review about Caravanserai by Santana. Now this is an album he likes a lot and suddenly he can write a real review.
Besides this (but this is in fact an unfair statement of mine but I do want to say it) he wanted to give the album 6 stars. But if I compare that album with any TFK album, I feel Caravanserai is more of a pale one. (swallow that mr Chantraine !)
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Originally posted by natewait natewait wrote:

Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

^ I haven't been able to find Thud as of yet, is it a good one?  I love "The Shaming of the True" and "The Kaviar Sessions" though it is a bit on the disturbing side of things.
 
I love the album Thud. Very good stuff. Not quite as brilliant as "The Shaming of the True" in my opinion, but still great. I can't see someone not liking this album if they love Shaming of the True. Some great catchy melodys, heartfelt emotion, and a great prog song called Shadow Self that rivals City of the Sun as my favorite Kevin Gilbert song.
 
So, I recommend it Thumbs Up


I also love Thud. Not quite as good as Shaming, but is an excellent album. My review should explain it.

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Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

^ I haven't been able to find Thud as of yet, is it a good one?  I love "The Shaming of the True" and "The Kaviar Sessions" though it is a bit on the disturbing side of things.
 
I love the album Thud. Very good stuff. Not quite as brilliant as "The Shaming of the True" in my opinion, but still great. I can't see someone not liking this album if they love Shaming of the True. Some great catchy melodys, heartfelt emotion, and a great prog song called Shadow Self that rivals City of the Sun as my favorite Kevin Gilbert song.
 
So, I recommend it Thumbs Up
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26 pages Smile, 503 replies Tongue.  Way to go guys!!!
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^ I haven't been able to find Thud as of yet, is it a good one?  I love "The Shaming of the True" and "The Kaviar Sessions" though it is a bit on the disturbing side of things.
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Neither have I! I'm working on Kevin Gilbert's Thud right now but after that I might do Sum of No Evil as well.

That's also my fav TFK album btw

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I just noticed I haven't reviewed a Flower Kings album yet! I think I'm going to attempt to write a review of my favorite Flower Kings album today- The Sum of No Evil.

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Originally posted by progrocker2244 progrocker2244 wrote:


I recently did a review for Sleepytime Gorilla Museum's Grand Opening and Closing and it was so damn awful, but I still listened to it 7 or 8 times and stated WHY i didn't like it. He just says he doesn't like it and doesn't state why, which makes for a bad review.
 
Yep, I just read your review of Grand Opening and Closing and it sounds completely fair to me. You gave the album several listens and were able to go in depth about why you feel the way you do about the album. I have no problem with this, even if it is for an album I love, because everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it is helpful to know why they have that opinion, which Mr. Trane fails to show.
 
Also, I was looking at your reviews and noticed that you have pretty similar tastes to me. Very cool! Almost all your five star albums are also favorites of mine.
 
 
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^ Heh, I love the 'Pigeons' (no insult intended) comment . . . what else would it be construed as?  Incidentally, most people that I know prefer to use the grammatical structure of adding at least a space if not two spaces at the end of a sentence. 

As a side note, I initially made two spelling errors in the previous paragraph, but once again, through the magic of spell checker, I was able to catch the spelling errors.
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Originally posted by natewait natewait wrote:

Yeah, those reviews make me sad. This Mr. Trane guy should move on to another group and not continue to put down the Flower Kings, which he obviously doesn't get. I always try to pull out the positive things in my reviews, even in albums that I'm not a huge fan of.

Yeah, he is entitled to his opinion, but he should at least qualify why he has that opinion by citing specific examples from the album. From his reviews it seems that he has never really heard a Flower Kings album all the way through. As a rule I don't review an album unless I've heard it all the way through at least a few times. If I dislike the album so much that I can't even get through it a couple times, then it isn't an album I should be reviewing.

Of course, this is all just my opinion Smile



I recently did a review for Sleepytime Gorilla Museum's Grand Opening and Closing and it was so damn awful, but I still listened to it 7 or 8 times and stated WHY i didn't like it. He just says he doesn't like it and doesn't state why, which makes for a bad review.

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Yeah, those reviews make me sad. This Mr. Trane guy should move on to another group and not continue to put down the Flower Kings, which he obviously doesn't get. I always try to pull out the positive things in my reviews, even in albums that I'm not a huge fan of.

Yeah, he is entitled to his opinion, but he should at least qualify why he has that opinion by citing specific examples from the album. From his reviews it seems that he has never really heard a Flower Kings album all the way through. As a rule I don't review an album unless I've heard it all the way through at least a few times. If I dislike the album so much that I can't even get through it a couple times, then it isn't an album I should be reviewing.

Of course, this is all just my opinion Smile

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Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

Originally posted by progrules progrules wrote:

I hesitated for a long time to post this but I feel he had this coming: what do you guys think of Mr.Trane  and his reviews of our great fav band ? I think they are a disgrace for our site and can't believe they haven't been erased yet.
I mean I can accept if someone has a different taste and doesn't like them but at least write a respectable review about the albums and REALLY explain why you have such a problem with them.
Another possibility could be for him: write one or two reviews of a band you hate and leave them alone for the rest. But this guy really felt the urge to bash (almost) all TFK albums and thus is partly responsable big time for their relatively low averages.
Well, at least I got this off my chest now, feeling better already !

I've felt that from day one.  It REALLY hacks me off.  One star, one star, one star.  So given his weighting it takes a hell of a lot of good reviews to get TFK's back where they should be.

Now I'm not keen on Jethro Tull.  Do I review all their albums? sl*g them all off, give them all one star? No, if I can be bothered to review Tull I'll review one, slate it, and then leave 'em alone.

Really, what was the point of all that?  It's not exactly the nicest thing to see right at the top of the TFK page. 


I don't even have a problem with him giving all TFK albums bad reviews. If that's his opinion I'm fine with it (even though I disagree heavily).

I have a problem with the fact that he never mentions ANY of the songs, and doesn't write informed reviews.

If every TFK album only had his reviews and I knew nothing about TFK, I still would know nothing about them. The reviews don't inform uninformed people, or make any sense to people who have listened to the album.

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And Space Revolver is an absolutely terrible review as well

1 stars Read my other F K critics as I don't like to repeat myself. But I will have to find something to write if my opinion (which nobody cares for anyway ;-) is to be seen - are we at fifty words yet?

Again , with this album TFK repeats their musical props without changing much of their previous formula. There is of course a solid dose of hard work that going into such an album , (which are finely crafted too and have many positive qualities to their works) >> but I am afraid it is all lost on me. Every single note appears to have been heard in different albums scattered through the prog giants of the 70's.

All kidding aside and not wanting to hurt anybody's feelings but my opinion is: spend your hard earned cash on other Swedish groups that are more worthy of your support.



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Originally posted by progrules progrules wrote:

I hesitated for a long time to post this but I feel he had this coming: what do you guys think of Mr.Trane  and his reviews of our great fav band ? I think they are a disgrace for our site and can't believe they haven't been erased yet.
I mean I can accept if someone has a different taste and doesn't like them but at least write a respectable review about the albums and REALLY explain why you have such a problem with them.
Another possibility could be for him: write one or two reviews of a band you hate and leave them alone for the rest. But this guy really felt the urge to bash (almost) all TFK albums and thus is partly responsable big time for their relatively low averages.
Well, at least I got this off my chest now, feeling better already !


Well he has TWO THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED TWENTY NINE REVIEWS!!! It's pretty obvious why he has so many. Many of his reviews, whether I agree or not, are almost abysmal because he simply doesn't explain ANYTHING.

Read his review for Unfold the Future:

The Flower Kings - Unfold The Future CD (album) cover

UNFOLD THE FUTURE

The Flower Kings

 

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1 stars Another double Cd of aimless music.Not any worse than their previous and this is what scares me along the important mass of "pigeons"(no insult intended) that must be blinded by stardust , as they don't see (or refuse to see) the point(-lessness ) of this.Cliché, cliché, cliché.

At the time of rewriting this review (for fear of the Admins coming down on me like a ton of brick) or face its disappearance, I am very hard pressed to find something positive about this album. apart that it is a typical TFK album, with the usual amount of hard work (and this should be seen as something positive for all fans of the group) , I still find their concept and tracks rather impenetrable.

Actually, truth must be spoken here: It is not I who cannot penetrate these relatively easily accessible tracks, it is the relatively accessible tracks that have a hard time penetrating the shell of my indifference. That fact alone should make you understand the poor rating.




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Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

Originally posted by progrules progrules wrote:

I hesitated for a long time to post this but I feel he had this coming: what do you guys think of Mr.Trane  and his reviews of our great fav band ? I think they are a disgrace for our site and can't believe they haven't been erased yet.
I mean I can accept if someone has a different taste and doesn't like them but at least write a respectable review about the albums and REALLY explain why you have such a problem with them.
Another possibility could be for him: write one or two reviews of a band you hate and leave them alone for the rest. But this guy really felt the urge to bash (almost) all TFK albums and thus is partly responsable big time for their relatively low averages.
Well, at least I got this off my chest now, feeling better already !

I've felt that from day one.  It REALLY hacks me off.  One star, one star, one star.  So given his weighting it takes a hell of a lot of good reviews to get TFK's back where they should be.

Now I'm not keen on Jethro Tull.  Do I review all their albums? sl*g them all off, give them all one star? No, if I can be bothered to review Tull I'll review one, slate it, and then leave 'em alone.

Really, what was the point of all that?  It's not exactly the nicest thing to see right at the top of the TFK page. 


Thirded.  I personally take offense to his review of "Flower Power".  I didn't think reviews were a place to take pot shots at others. 

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

As with most of TFK albums, this is for people who have yet to built discernement .


Seriously, is this necessary.  I think we're all passionate about our music tastes and thus a bit arrogant about our individual tastes.  This needs to be tempered with the acceptance that not everyone can get into your preferred genre.  If you don't get something, maybe you shouldn't review it . . . or

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I rented out this album , and to my great distress was simply unable to go through the entirity of it as almost every single note appears to be either redundant or lifted from a classic album.


Maybe . . . um . . . you shouldn't review it if you haven't even listened to the whole thing.

This should not be the first review that is seen when someone looks up "Flower Power".


Also, I agree with you two in that I don't review bands that I just don't get.  Yes in particular is my pariah, I just can't get into them, I've tried and frankly, I really don't understand why they don't click with me.  I hear the Yes influences in The Flower Kings and really enjoy them.  The actual band itself does very little for me.  With that being said, why would I review "Close to the Edge" as a one a two or even a three?  It really serves no purpose and frankly would only fill my inbox with hate mail or with the evangelists trying to convert me with phrases like "you just don't get it".  You're right, I don't get it.  But back to my initial point...I'm not reviewing anything by Yes for that reason.

On, and not that I'm nit picking . . . This was apparently reviewed before the advent of the spell checker:
  • millenium - not a word
  • entirity - not a word
  • discernement - not a word
  • Youger - not a word



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New Review for Yew to view...sorry, after writing a review for Flower Power I feel like I just donated a kidney.

Tom, hat's off to you buddy.  That really is a good review Clap.

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Originally posted by progrules progrules wrote:

I hesitated for a long time to post this but I feel he had this coming: what do you guys think of Mr.Trane  and his reviews of our great fav band ? I think they are a disgrace for our site and can't believe they haven't been erased yet.
I mean I can accept if someone has a different taste and doesn't like them but at least write a respectable review about the albums and REALLY explain why you have such a problem with them.
Another possibility could be for him: write one or two reviews of a band you hate and leave them alone for the rest. But this guy really felt the urge to bash (almost) all TFK albums and thus is partly responsable big time for their relatively low averages.
Well, at least I got this off my chest now, feeling better already !

I've felt that from day one.  It REALLY hacks me off.  One star, one star, one star.  So given his weighting it takes a hell of a lot of good reviews to get TFK's back where they should be.

Now I'm not keen on Jethro Tull.  Do I review all their albums? sl*g them all off, give them all one star? No, if I can be bothered to review Tull I'll review one, slate it, and then leave 'em alone.

Really, what was the point of all that?  It's not exactly the nicest thing to see right at the top of the TFK page. 
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I hesitated for a long time to post this but I feel he had this coming: what do you guys think of Mr.Trane  and his reviews of our great fav band ? I think they are a disgrace for our site and can't believe they haven't been erased yet.
I mean I can accept if someone has a different taste and doesn't like them but at least write a respectable review about the albums and REALLY explain why you have such a problem with them.
Another possibility could be for him: write one or two reviews of a band you hate and leave them alone for the rest. But this guy really felt the urge to bash (almost) all TFK albums and thus is partly responsable big time for their relatively low averages.
Well, at least I got this off my chest now, feeling better already !
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^ You definitely should feel like you donated a kidney. That's one damn good reviewThumbs Up

I would have given it 4 (I think), but an excellent review nonetheless.

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New Review for Yew to view...sorry, after writing a review for Flower Power I feel like I just donated a kidney.
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