I'm not gunna lie IVNORD you just seem extremely untrusting. I'm not exactly sure of your views, so maybe you're one of those minimal government people, I hope so because you just don't seem to have ANY faith in Obama, or Bush...and it appears the government in general.




Edited by JJLehto - June 12 2009 at 16:06

Is there a talking head who's not a jackass???

"Isn't it gauche to act like a complete douche on national tv???"

"Not when your paid like I am."

Gotta love Robot Chicken.


Edited by Deathrabbit - June 12 2009 at 16:50

Deathrabbit wrote: "Isn't it gauche to act like a complete douche on national tv???" "Not when your paid like I am." Gotta love Robot Chicken.

One of my favorite shows by the way.

You were all warned!!!



Edited by Slartibartfast - June 12 2009 at 18:13

JJLehto wrote: maybe you're one of those minimal government people, I hope so because you just don't seem to have ANY faith in Obama, or Bush...and it appears the government in general.

a real American

JJLehto wrote: I'm not gunna lie IVNORD you just seem extremely untrusting. I'm not exactly sure of your views, so maybe you're one of those minimal government people, I hope so because you just don't seem to have ANY faith in Obama, or Bush...and it appears the government in general.

And I used to be as credulous and gullible as you are, JJ. Up until the moment I read in the Time (or was it Newsweek?) about the deal Clinton made with Greenspan -- Greenspan would lower (read "manipulate") the interest rates in return for Clinton's promise to balance the budget and get rid of the deficit.  Now since you are such an ardent supporter of Obama's economic policies, what in particilar do you like and why?

Well first, the issue of faith here.
I had a feeling you would disregard everything I said and just say "LOL yea like Obama means that"
Which is exactly what you did. I voted for him and supported him so I have to put my faith that he'll stick to his word. Now 2, 3 years from now if it turns he didn't keep true then I'm gunna be pretty damn pissed.

Anyway, I support higher taxes on the rich, not exceedingly (though you'll probably say it is already) and a generally progressive tax system. The more you earn the more you should pay in taxes, (its not infinite we can cap it at 39.6% like it used to be). I've had people say "Why do you want to punish success"
ITS NOT THAT AT ALL!!! Its not a punishment, its your duty. No one likes paying taxes...but you do. It's the social contract, you pay taxes for the benefits of all, benefits which you might always need to use. And the more money you have the more you can spare, it is your duty...not a punishment.

I also support social programs, as long as their working, SS, basically I'm in line with the New Deal-esque ideas. So I'm happy with what Obama has said, and why I hated Bush and Republicans, it was my #1 beef.
And this whole thread is getting too dicey for me, I know its politics but I enjoy debating not getting mad so I'll be back in a while.
Peace y'all

The T wrote: IVNORD wrote: [QUOTE=The T] IVNord, as nfar as I know, Obama has surrounded himself of a group of people that know a lot about economics. Don't you think he has people around him that may actually know a little about economics? What if they happen to be right and you're wrong? Can youn admit the possibility that you might once in your lifetime be wrong? Do you know 100% sure as a fact what the future will hold? That's how the american people is taken for a ride - hoping they are real sharp guys in the government. As everywhere in the world man. Unless we have a dictator who supposedly knows for sure which guys are REALLY sharp... This is your answer? Sounds fatalistic.  Like Larry Summers. Pure and honest like Greenspan. He just made a little mistake underestimating the dangers of derivatives. Oh yeah, I forgot Rubin, he's the best. So who the hell is the Best? And who chooses to select them, but THE PRESIDENT elected by the PEOPLE?  The problem is that the elected president selects them with ideology in mind.    If history is any gide, no nation ever got away with minting money out of thin air. My country (of origin ) is another example I dont want to confuse you with such examples as the Weimar Republic and the Soviet Union, I know a lot of history, don't think you're "confusing me"... patronizing doesn't suit any really wise guy well... just look at the history of the United States. The monetary expansion of the 70s destroyed my parents' generation. Destroyed? Wasn't the US a very well-off country back then? The US is a well-off country today too. What does it have to do with the wellbeing of the older generation? THeir lifesavings were wiped out. Now it's our turn. Old folks in my town ran a referendum last year to vote down mandatory garbage collection which amounts to $240 a YEAR. And I voted with them. Do you think they and I are just cheap? I dont care about $240. You don't know what it is living on fixed income when gasoline costs $4. I still remember how old people hurt in the early 80s. Now the inflation started by Reagan, with Clinton' giving it a real push and Obama's finishing touch is going to bankrupt mine. Probably. Still not there. Yours is next.

Atavachron wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: Is anyone out there following the Iranian elections?  This is good stuff and important. been meaning to turn on the news all day, maybe at the hour

That link I posted takes you to a serious article not any political silliness that I'm probably well known for by now.


Edited by Slartibartfast - June 13 2009 at 07:53

Tronald Dump defended her for her opinion.  But when she didn't abide by her contract, she had to go.