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VanderGraafKommandöh View Drop Down

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 08:14

Who's Robert Byrd? Confused

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 08:37

One of the oldest US senators these days. He's a democrat from West Virginia.

Ask a political junkie and you shall get your answer. Big smile

The silly answer would be he's the guy they named that band after. LOL

Edited by Slartibartfast - June 12 2009 at 12:13

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 09:43

JJLehto wrote:

Finnforest wrote:

Well I don't give a rip what any of them look like, nor do I mind old people. I want competence and wisdom of some degree.

It alarms me that a Palin could get so far in a major party without the party itself taking him/her down. It is irresponsible the way they stick behind someone so ill prepared for the world stage and the nuke button. And I'd say that if her pretty face graced the Democratic party as well.

And yes, for those about to point out Obama's lack of experience, I do believe there is no contest between the two in terms of gravitas. I understand that opinion is subject to debate. Wink

See that's the thing. I agree, and I wish it was that way. But you know full well that the American voter base is VERY concerned with looks, appearance, just how the candidate comes across. And competence and wisdom has not been proven a necessity. Like I said I wish candidates were based on merit, but we know thats hardly the case.

Does it apply to Obama too?

JJLehto wrote:

Though I must agree I do ACTUALLY think Obama is an intelligent man, I'm glad to see an intellectual return to the Dems. I thought they were supposed to be the intellectual party...

So is the $2 Trillion deficit an act of intelligence, or confidence, or wisdom? Or all of the above? As I recall Bush was branded an a****le for running a $500 billion deficit.

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 10:52

IVNORD wrote:

JJLehto wrote:

See that's the thing. I agree, and I wish it was that way. But you know full well that the American voter base is VERY concerned with looks, appearance, just how the candidate comes across. And competence and wisdom has not been proven a necessity. Like I said I wish candidates were based on merit, but we know thats hardly the case.

Does it apply to Obama too?

The thing with Obama is that he has looks while Republicans look defeated, he has the appearance while Republicans look grumpy, Obama comes across as a bringer of hope instead of a bringer of doom like Republicans; Competence and wisdom are earned with time, but he looks and talks like he actually one day be wise, unlike our former president. He's a black person raised without father who always has been first in anything he's ever done, so he has some merit, unlike the spoiled drunk brat we just had... memb er of the Republican party..

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So is the $2 Trillion deficit an act of intelligence, or confidence, or wisdom? Or all of the above? As I recall Bush was branded an a****le for running a $500 billion deficit.

No... Bush was called an a****le because he couldn't talk in complete sentences and because constantly he appeared like a fool... the deficit was not the reason for the name calling... Bush, I have to agree, did a lot of merit to actually earn his nickname...

Even dumber is to judge a president on three months in office.... Even Bush was given a lot more time...

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 11:28

IVNORD wrote:

JJLehto wrote:

Does it apply to Obama too?

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but I think you're saying was looks important in voting for Obama.....again for me no. Are there people out there who voted for him BECAUSE he was black? Yea, of course....and it's just as wrong as voting against someone for such reasons.

So is the $2 Trillion deficit an act of intelligence, or confidence, or wisdom? Or all of the above? As I recall Bush was branded an a****le for running a $500 billion deficit.

Well, a****le isn't what I would call that. THAT would incompetence, or just apathy.
I actually don't think Bush was an a****le, or a bad guy. I think he was just sheltered in his little bubble world. It would explain SO much, but him as a person, I'm sure he really was a nice guy.

As for Obama's 2 trillion deficit, I'm sure you wont even believe this....but he HAS spoken for fiscal responsibility. Such as reinstalling PAYGO, which would make sure any proposed bill can NOT run a deficit...there has to be the money to pay for it. Bush abandoned this with his 2003 tax plan FYI.
Obama has also talked about cutting programs (yes) that don't work. However, this is once the economy recovers.
These gargantuan stimulis package's are NOT the norm he said, just what is necessary for the time and once we pull through we must have fiscal responsibility.

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 11:44

Honestly, politicians have been bending the american taxpayer over a barrel for the last half century, so I'll believe it when I see it.

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 11:47

Slartibartfast wrote:

One of the oldest US senators these days. He's a democrat from West Virginia.

Ask a political junkie and you shall get your answer. Big smile

The silly answer would be he's the guy they named that band after. LOL

He's the guy that Sean Wahnity goes after the most in the Senate as well. KKK Byrd as Wahnity calls him.

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:03

The T wrote:

IVNORD wrote:

Does it apply to Obama too?

The thing with Obama is that he has looks while Republicans look defeated, he has the appearance while Republicans look grumpy, Obama comes across as a bringer of hope instead of a bringer of doom like Republicans; Competence and wisdom are earned with time, but he looks and talks like he actually one day be wise,

So as long as Obama comes across as a bringer of hope and he looks and talks like he actually one day be wise, it doesn't matter what he does? That speaks volumes.

The T wrote:

He's a black person

Why are you saying this?

The T wrote:

IVNord wrote:

So is the $2 Trillion deficit an act of intelligence, or confidence, or wisdom? Or all of the above? As I recall Bush was branded an a****le for running a $500 billion deficit.

No... Bush was called an a****le because he couldn't talk in complete sentences and because constantly he appeared like a fool... the deficit was not the reason for the name calling...

Which brings us to square one - the American voter base is VERY concerned with looks, appearance, just how the candidate comes across. The deficit does not matter. His speach impairment - that's what's importatnt.

By the way, you ignored my question. Bush is no more. Bush is history. Forget Bush. You are facing a calamity being brought upon you by YOUR president. Hope you realize that. I wonder who you will be blaiming in 4 years.

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Even dumber is to judge a president on three months in office....

Really? Is it that dumb? Don't give me this bullsh*t please. With all the crap he managed to do in his three months in office, Obama is firmly on track to become a bigger a****le than Bush and Clinton combined.

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:07

And now for something completely different:

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:08

Settle down IV. Your concerns are valid, but it is WAY too soon to put this economy on Obama. You have to give any president about 2 years before the full weight of their policies are in place and then you can torch the guy. It is ludicrous to say this economy is his fault after 5 months or whatever.....you know better.

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:13

Slartibartfast wrote:

And now for something completely different:

I can't blame the man. I'd do the same if I was there.

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:18

Papa's got a brand new bag. LOL

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:25

EDIT

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:26

Finnforest wrote:

Actually I find the old care more about the young than vice versa, but that's just my experience and completely anecdotal.

Very true, I will skip the amazing context for now (but can expand on it later) but the Chinese have a saying "A society that disprespects their elders is doomed to vanish"

Age is just an effing number, no more ! I am 53 and the ladies think I am 39! Maybe I should run for office (or run for orifice!

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:27

JJLehto wrote:

IVNORD wrote:

JJLehto wrote:

Does it apply to Obama too?

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but I think you're saying was looks important in voting for Obama.....again for me no. Are there people out there who voted for him BECAUSE he was black? Yea, of course....and it's just as wrong as voting against someone for such reasons.

Oh, I got it now... no I didn't mean his race. Actually the fact that he's black is the only good thing about his presidency so far.

So is the $2 Trillion deficit an act of intelligence, or confidence, or wisdom? Or all of the above? As I recall Bush was branded an a****le for running a $500 billion deficit.

You're so sweet. Do you like every president? No matter if he conducts a war with arrogant ignorance, runs huge deficits, imposes his own policies with blatant disregard for the constitution? A nice guy indeed.

JJLehto wrote:

As for Obama's 2 trillion deficit, I'm sure you wont even believe this....but he HAS spoken for fiscal responsibility.

I even watched him speak!! What an entertainment it was! I love when politicians speak about that. Especially Democrats. And especially him and Pelosi.

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Such as reinstalling PAYGO, which would make sure any proposed bill can NOT run a deficit...there has to be the money to pay for it.

Sure thing. They just exclude $3 trillion in spending from the pay-as-you go. And you know the translation of this phrase of course - higher taxes. Why not cut spending? You don't increase your spending if you don't have money, do you?

JJLehto wrote:

Obama has also talked about cutting programs (yes) that don't work. However, this is once the economy recovers.
These gargantuan stimulis package's are NOT the norm he said, just what is necessary for the time and once we pull through we must have fiscal responsibility.

I went on reading the stimulus package as soon as it became available. I browsed thru 100 pages and gave up on this bullsh*t. Not to mention all the waste which I'd hoped to be no more than 50% and which amounted to over 80% -- what really struck me was the amount of money allocated to the so-called "administering of the funds." Do you know what it means? It means that Obama is going to hire a bunch of jerks to sit on their collective ass and do nothing. As if we don't have enough of these folks in the department of transportation, and dept of education, etc. Is that the 4 million jobs he promised to create?

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:32

Finnforest wrote:

Settle down IV. Your concerns are valid, but it is WAY too soon to put this economy on Obama. You have to give any president about 2 years before the full weight of their policies are in place and then you can torch the guy. It is ludicrous to say this economy is his fault after 5 months or whatever.....you know better.

Hey man, I didn't say it's his fault. He inherited a mess but he's job is to clean the mess, not create a bigger one. If Bush's $500 billion deficit wasn't bad enouch, Obama is wasting money at 4 times his speed. In 2 years we will add $4 t to the existing $12. If you have any doubt where we will end up with such fiscal policies, history can provide you with plenty of clues.

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:37

Fair enough, but the expenditures are supposed to be temporary and were started by Bush (bailouts). They are unsustainable and will be dialed back when the economy recovers. If not, he'll fail and be trounced at the polls in 4 years.

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:42

Finnforest wrote:

Actually I find the old care more about the young than vice versa, but that's just my experience and completely anecdotal.

Yeah, like this guy:
http://crabbyoldfart.wordpress.com/

by Donald Mills

"The problem with young people today is that they slouch.

When I was a boy, kids were expected to stand up straight. Only old people slouched and that was because they had earned the right to do so. Old folks had “the stoop” – a slouch of honor that you were awarded after a life time of hard work mining coal, forging steel or raising a dozen children in a dirt floor shack.

If I had ever slouched around my house, my old mom would have beaten me senselessness with a lemon reamer and then locked me the root cellar to think about the error of my ways.

But these young people today, they’re all hunched over like teenaged Quasimodos with ill-fitting trousers and size 14 high tops. It’s disrespectful, disgraceful and un-American.

They drag themselves down the street with their concave backs, warped morals and damned superior attitudes. It’s like someone has removed their spines and replaced them with red liquorice and arrogance.

Now ask yourself…what gal’s gonna want you to court her if you’re a semi-erect hunchback without the common decency to stand up straight and look her in the eye? And hey, junior, unless you’re looking for a job in witchcraft, bell ringing or evil science I’d say it’s not going to help you find work either.

This needs to end now. It’s the thin edge of a dangerous wedge."

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:43

And that will mean the end of the American empire? ........... Lot of smart people are quite concerned that the US will never recover......I personnaly think that Americans' greatest attribute is their resolve when they are kicked in the nuts. But when they become fat arrogant cats, they are certainly not the superpower they claim to be. America's greatest characteristic is their inherent goodness, simplicity and modesty, which shines only after tragedy , not strangely before........

Edited by tszirmay - June 12 2009 at 12:43

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 12:58

America has become a narcissistic paradise... We're only first on thinking we're first.... But if you see any statistics, the US trails many many nations in education, healthcare, everything that matters.... except who buys the most expensive sh*t...

Wht you said about goodness, simplicity and modesty, I hope they come back... A start is caring more for other people and not only for ourselves... which is the slogan of the right wing anyway.,..