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Posted: June 04 2009 at 21:53
Slartibartfast wrote:
James wrote:
A God cannot possibly have always been there though. This is the point.
Still where does anything come from? Isn't the existence of a god the only rational possibility?
No, it's the silliest and least likely possibility.
I'm serious too.
It's much more feasible for particles and the like to form the Universe, than for some God to miraculously appear and be able to also create all life.
Evolution has made life on earth what it is over millions of years. God (however you imagine it) would also have to form over a hell of a long time if they were able to create life. If that is the case, then it would also have formed from particles and the like. It wouldn't just appear. Also, it cannot have been there forever either.
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Posted: June 04 2009 at 21:50
KoS wrote:
^ See it all works out
Back to topic, I have found this to be very informative,
Honestly I find Dawkins and Co. arrogant, with a self superiority feeling that they own the truth and are allowed to decide what we must think and believe in.
I believe in God but I don't find offensive that anybody doesn't believe, but this guys say they find our beliefs offensive, is their disbelief so weak that they are afraid of us?.
For the same reasons I dislike fundamentalists who want us to believe their truth, I dislike the guys who feel so superior to call our deep beliefs a superstition just because they don't share it.
They are doing the same evangelism of their disbelief that fundamentalists do of their beliefs and still they claim to be morally superior.
I don't see how "I had a bad experience with religion" proves religion wrong. That's just as good as "I had a good experience with religion, so it's true."
I don't wish to stir anything up (thank you for those who popped into my Christian thread or stayed out if you felt you had to). If I am, feel free to boot me. I don't wish to cause any problems. My wife and I were actually moved by Dean's initial post- mainly because I wanted to scream, "Yeah, but those people were dicks!"
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Posted: June 04 2009 at 21:40
KoS wrote:
The existence of God doesn't answer those questions either.
The contrary of the existence of a God that has always existed explains everything that you want or need it to. The existence of the universe and lifeforms on Earth past and present just confuses things.
Edited by Slartibartfast - June 04 2009 at 21:42
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: June 04 2009 at 21:38
He was never one to shy away from a controversial quote................can only imagine the heat he got for saying stuff like this....
If you want to get
together in any exclusive situation and have people love
you, fine - but to hang all this desperate sociology on
the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows
if you've been bad or good - and CARES about any of it -
to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of
the brain working.
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Posted: June 04 2009 at 21:15
Padraic wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
the amount of matter/energy that would have to be in one tiny particle for the BB to happen seems almost impossible
but other ridiculously dense things (black holes) exist
ridiculously dense yes, but the 'mother' particle would potentially contain all the black holes - or future dead stars - in it before they even existed.. that's some dense sh*t
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Posted: June 04 2009 at 21:14
Slartibartfast wrote:
OK you are all dancing around the questions that if god created everything then something must have created god in order for god to create everything so what happened?
Why is this a criterion? Can't God have just always existed and not been created?
And if you don't believe in God, it's what you believe for everything else, right? That all matter just "sort of happened"?
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Posted: June 04 2009 at 21:11
OK you are all dancing around the questions that if god created everything then something must have created god in order for god to create everything so what happened? And why does anything really exist anyway? If the mechanisms big bang, evolution, or whatever really happened ot doesn't really matter unless you can answer those fundamental questions.
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