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Icarium
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Topic: Phil Collins (the Drummer) Posted: April 28 2009 at 14:00 |
i have recantly bought both Selling England anf Foxtrot and i have allways heard that hi is a good drummer. but when i first heard the drumwork on Foxtrot was, i couldent belive my ears it was so good.
i allways feel the bad repotation i have on Progarchives that he turn Genesis soft and to a Hit-machine, overshadows his drum preformances, ( i actuley was into the pop Genesis before i discoverd the tresser that was progrock that ledd me to buy SEBP and Foxtrot so im not that hatefull) but i will probably rank his drumming skills with the other grates, Michael Giles, Bill Bruford, Carl Palmer and Phil Ehart and he got the abilaty (in my ears) to play technical but stil play tastefull. and he can also play difficult songs and sing at the same time (se the Video of the hated song Abacab) he have also playd for Buddy Rich Bigband and that i think aqiere more then just being a good drummer, you need to be qiet amazing. and his drum solo with Chester Thompson and other works http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=manxPVTLth8 |
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: April 28 2009 at 14:15 |
Yeah, I feel he's a great drummer, more, perhaps, because of his ear for doing interesting things with the drums and his solid sound than because he's a technique-monster. He is one of the few drummers who can really make a song like Fly On A Windshield or The Knife (just listen to the Genesis live take). And personally, I think pop Genesis isn't too bad. |
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The Doctor
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Posted: April 28 2009 at 14:24 |
As opposed to Phil Collins the dental hygienist?
Phil is up there with the great drummers and is one of my top three alongside Peart and Bruford. Even with his pop stuff, when Phil kicks it with the drums, it's great. One of the bad things about some of his solo and Genesis pop stuff was that he relied too heavily on the drum machine. That would be like a Rush album with a drum machine. Some drum machine stuff was ok, like the intro to Duchess and some of the stuff on Face Value, but there he didn't rely too heavily on it, just used it as an additional instrument.
His stuff with old Genesis is superb and produced some of the great drum moments in rock. Not to mention the work he did with Brand X. Edited by The Doctor - April 28 2009 at 14:29 |
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Icarium
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Posted: April 28 2009 at 14:29 |
Icarium
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Posted: April 28 2009 at 14:50 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTQ53tZweaM&NR=1
this is realy a very cool preformance both Phil Collins and Chester Thompson on drums and with Leelan "Gandalf" Sklar |
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sleeper
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Posted: April 28 2009 at 15:31 |
One of my favourite drummers. His work with Brand X is hugely impressive as well.
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mr.cub
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Posted: April 28 2009 at 20:53 |
Finese, power, versatility and polyrhythmic skill...one of my favorites
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The Quiet One
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Posted: April 28 2009 at 21:08 |
Like The Doctor very well said, Brand X, takes the lead with Phil's best drumming ever, check their debut, Unorthodox Behaviour, you won't regret it
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rosenbach
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 01:24 |
Totally agree, great work of Mr. Collins there |
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npjnpj
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 01:45 |
As mentioned above, Brand X is where he shows what a brilliant drummer he is. Incredible how he seemingly effortlessly churns out really complicated rythms, without lossing any feel (however you want to define that).
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AlanOB
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 09:52 |
He is undoubtedly one of the best drummers of all time. For me it goes Peart ->Collins->Bruford.
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lazland
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 12:38 |
Agree with all the posts here. He is an outstanding drummer, eclipsed for me only by Peart & Palmer.
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crimhead
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 13:00 |
My only wish is that he stayed behind the kit and not sing or write any songs for Genesis. He is strongest at what he does and that's play the drums.
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jimidom
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 13:11 |
Phil Collins is an amazing drummer, and I think his detractors are only so because he became a pop singer, not because of his drumming abilities. I wonder what they thought when they heard him play "Cinema Show" with no problem on the Turn It On Again tour. |
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fuxi
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 13:38 |
Last night I listened to Elliot Murphy's JUST A STORY FROM AMERICA. It features excellent drumming - by Phil Collins. How Phil came to play on it is explained here (4th paragraph):
http://www.elliottmurphy.com/americaextras.html |
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Nightfly
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 14:07 |
A totally amazing player; powerful when necessary but loads of subtle inventive touches. One of my all time favourite drummers for his work between Nursery Cryme and Wind and Wuthering with Genesis and as others have already mentioned, Brand X.
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Blacksword
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 14:27 |
He's been my favourite drummer for most of my prog loving years. When my tastes were heavier I would have said Peart, but Collins is more versatile, and plays with greater 'warmth' imo. He is more together than Bruford, and has always had a better drum sound.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 14:37 |
You know, as much as I don't care for the pop direction that Phil and the others were responsible for taking Genesis into, I still like him as a drummer and a vocalist. Early Brand X kind of makes up for it all. |
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AlanOB
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 16:53 |
I like him as a vocalist too, I think he's seriously underrated in that regard.
I challenge anyone to think of another vocalist who would have done justice to the material on Trick of the Tail as well as Phil did. He was the perfect replacement for Gabriel and the transition was seamless. |
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SgtPepper67
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Posted: April 29 2009 at 18:46 |
I love his voice. I used to think it was a bit annoying before I really got into Genesis, but now I think it's great after hearing all the albums and I agree he was the perfect replacement for Peter, I don't think anyone else could have done such good job filling Peter's shoes in the band. |
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