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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2009 at 08:33
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ we had some equipment delivered in the early morning - the only people around were a collegue and his technician - rather than wait for the rest of us to arrive, they decided to move it themselves. Needless to say, it toppled and crushed the tech's leg, putting him in traction for several months - he could have sued the company and my collegue, he did not, but he did claim for compensation and won. My collegue had to live with the guilt of seeing a once athletic young lad limping around with one leg now shorter than the other - it had a profound affect on him that no one could help with - you could say that both parties were damaged in that accident.


exactly...  that coworker of mine did not sue the company for lost wages during his time off due to his mistake...  he made a mistake by working  unsafely on a ladder (something we all have done.. many times) and not letting  the screw go.  He got the medical and partial wage benefits while out of work.  All he wanted was his job back when he recovered.
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Points: 1402 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2009 at 14:14
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I`,ve mentioned this before on the site.

Some dumbass went through a stop sign and hit one of my dogs about 4 years ago. It cost me a king`s ransom in vet bills or else I would have lost the dog. I threatened to take the jerk to court and sue him for ten times the vet bill. Now before you go on about " you should have had the dogs on a leash"  They are Australian Cattle Dogs, very loyal and obedient ( ACDs are in the top 5 percentile of canine intelligence ) and they walk close beside me and will not even chase a squirrel and automatically sit at an intersection before I give the all clear to cross. This occured in a residential area close to where I live and take them for their run in a park specifically designated for dogs. This dumbass was doing three times the speed limit and a bystander had to chase the guy down and of course I called the cops.

Through a lawyer we settled out of court although I would have prefered to choke the guy to death.

Sometimes suing someone is the only way to teach them a lesson.
 
Point of order please. This would be described as vengeance and taking the law into your own hands (so to speak) Shocked


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Stupidity should not entitle you to sue...and in modern countries with an NHS and sick pay benefits the loss of earnings is not an issue. Unless your a greedy b@s££d.
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Points: 24598 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2009 at 23:35
Originally posted by visitor2035 visitor2035 wrote:

Stupidity should not entitle you to sue...and in modern countries with an NHS and sick pay benefits the loss of earnings is not an issue. Unless your a greedy b@s££d.

Ahuh.

Looks like someone has already made up their mind on this issue.Stern Smile
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Points: 19236 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2009 at 01:04
Sometimes a lawsuit is your only avenue. Health insurance companies are dictating how a doctor should treat his patients. They say that they have their doctors looking at patients files and telling what can and should be covered. Doesn't that scare anyone? Would you want a doctor that hundreds of miles away telling the doctor that is physically in the same room what he can and can't do? My g/f has been fighting with her healthcare insurance provider for years now about her daughters care and it took her getting a new job with different healthcare insurance to get the procedure done.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2009 at 05:25
Originally posted by visitor2035 visitor2035 wrote:

Stupidity should not entitle you to sue...and in modern countries with an NHS and sick pay benefits the loss of earnings is not an issue. Unless your a greedy b@s££d.
Obviously you've never had to leave your car parked in a hospital carpark for 48 hours while you undergo an emergency operation. You even have to pay to watch television during your stay. These are some of the valid out of pocket expenses that you are entitled to claim for - since you would not have had to pay them if the accident didn't happen.
 
Statutory Sick Pay is £75.40 a week and is only payable for the first 28 weeks.
 
As we have been discussing in another thread - the USA does not have a national health system. That accounts for a third of the population of your "modern countries".
 
People do not make claims for telephone-number amounts - they are simply not allowed to - they can only claim for compensation for expenses and nothing more - these are called Compensatory Damages. The woman in the McDonald's case originally claimed for $20K - that is not an unreasonable amount of money (health care, loss of earnings etc.) - McD's refused to pay and lost the case. They had to pay out eight times that to cover the expense of forcing the claimant to pursue the case. Making that claim, or accepting the payout, has nothing to do with greed.
 
The courts can also award Exemplary Damages (or Punitive Damages in the USA) in cases where the defendant's conduct was calculated to make a profit for himself - these are the silly numbers you read about in the red-tops and the value of them is not the "fault" of the person making the claim - they are based upon the "greed" of the person who was responsible for the accident and take into account the amount of money they earned as a result of their irresponsible action. The purpose of this is to stop them from doing it again. In the McD case that was $2.7 million - or 2 days sales of coffee and it was imposed as a punishment on the company for their action - she never claimed for that amount, it was awarded by the court.
 
The system is geared towards big-business and against unreasonable and excessive claims. The cases where the little-guy wins big bucks are very rare, but when they do it makes the headlines - being awarded £3K for a minor accident isn't going to sell newspapers or cause indignant outrage in the minds of Sun and Daily Record readers
 
 
 
 
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Points: 19236 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2009 at 11:25
A firefighter suing fire departments and fellow fire fighters.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/B900B8B75F25CAD68625758D000A3E8F?OpenDocument
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Originally posted by limeyrob limeyrob wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I`,ve mentioned this before on the site.

Some dumbass went through a stop sign and hit one of my dogs about 4 years ago. It cost me a king`s ransom in vet bills or else I would have lost the dog. I threatened to take the jerk to court and sue him for ten times the vet bill. Now before you go on about " you should have had the dogs on a leash"  They are Australian Cattle Dogs, very loyal and obedient ( ACDs are in the top 5 percentile of canine intelligence ) and they walk close beside me and will not even chase a squirrel and automatically sit at an intersection before I give the all clear to cross. This occured in a residential area close to where I live and take them for their run in a park specifically designated for dogs. This dumbass was doing three times the speed limit and a bystander had to chase the guy down and of course I called the cops.

Through a lawyer we settled out of court although I would have prefered to choke the guy to death.

Sometimes suing someone is the only way to teach them a lesson.
 
Point of order please. This would be described as vengeance and taking the law into your own hands (so to speak) Shocked
I said I would have PREFERED. Instead I got  $10,000 out of the idiot through a lawyer. Point of order ???????
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2009 at 12:22
hell yeah....   what seperates us from the goons out there is while we would PREFER to take action and kick some ass... we know better and just feel it... not act on it.


some a****le cut me off in traffic today and ...hahahhah... I sh*t you not.... made me spill my fresh hot Micky D's coffee in my lap  (thank God for the old broad or I'd be an IT right now).    I thought twice about taking my much larger vehicle and putting him off the road... but like the good citizen I am... i just rode his bumper for a few miles and cussed him out like a sailor and showed him the birdie when I got to pass him later. 


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Points: 6898 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2009 at 12:32
As Dirty Harry would say : " I hate the goddam system, but until someone comes along with some changes that make sense, I`ll stick with it."
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Points: 3596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2009 at 21:19
Or how about this - if only the exceptions to the rule were not constantly trotted out as examples, without the actual arguement presented before the court, nor the reason for the judgement being presented .
"cause don't you know, sometimes when you know it all , you actually know why . Not that ignorance ever stopped someone from making an overgeneralized comment to support a blinded view of the world.
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Points: 65248 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2009 at 21:24
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

As Dirty Harry would say : " I hate the goddam system, but until someone comes along with some changes that make sense, I`ll stick with it."


"Nothing wrong with shooting, as long as the right people get shot."  

 -- from the same film, a chilling but terrific line
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Points: 6898 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 10:36
How about this one from Pink Cadillac :

" I have strong feelings about gun control. If there`s a gun around, I want to be controlling it. "
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Points: 1402 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2009 at 05:57
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by limeyrob limeyrob wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I`,ve mentioned this before on the site.

Some dumbass went through a stop sign and hit one of my dogs about 4 years ago. It cost me a king`s ransom in vet bills or else I would have lost the dog. I threatened to take the jerk to court and sue him for ten times the vet bill. Now before you go on about " you should have had the dogs on a leash"  They are Australian Cattle Dogs, very loyal and obedient ( ACDs are in the top 5 percentile of canine intelligence ) and they walk close beside me and will not even chase a squirrel and automatically sit at an intersection before I give the all clear to cross. This occured in a residential area close to where I live and take them for their run in a park specifically designated for dogs. This dumbass was doing three times the speed limit and a bystander had to chase the guy down and of course I called the cops.

Through a lawyer we settled out of court although I would have prefered to choke the guy to death.

Sometimes suing someone is the only way to teach them a lesson.
 
Point of order please. This would be described as vengeance and taking the law into your own hands (so to speak) Shocked
I said I would have PREFERED. Instead I got  $10,000 out of the idiot through a lawyer. Point of order ???????
Perhaps I shouldn't comment across threads but I was obviously being unsuccessfully sarcastic about taking a life for a life.
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Points: 6898 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2009 at 10:21
On the evening news back in the 80s sometime there was this news clip from the US somewhere about this guy who`s son had been sexually molested and they had caught the guy responsible.
They showed a video clip of the child molester being led into or out of the court room ( I can``t remember which ) shackled and cuffed. Then they highlight another guy in the background on a payphone. What happens next is the guy on the payphone pulls out a handgun and pumps at least 3 or 4 rounds into the child molester killing him and then drops the gun and raises his hands. It was the child`s father.

I can`t say I blame the guy. Sometimes, especially here in Canada the court system is too lenient and full of bleeding heart prosecutors and judges. Just this week here in Montréal there is a case that has been adjourned for a couple of months while a judge and jury  thinks about this :
A guy gets all cranked up on ecstasy and alchohol and stomps a girl`s head in killing her. The defense is going for manslaughter while the prosecution is going for 2nd degree murder.

If I was the girl`s father I think I would solve the problem myself and save the courts some time and money.
Just as BaldFriede pointed out in another thread the courts f*** around with cases and drag them out causing people uneccessary emotional and financial grief while they count their $$$$$$. If this guy gets say ten years for manslaughter he`ll be out in about 3 years counting time served as double!





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