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chemebien
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 05 2009 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 206 |
Posted: March 16 2009 at 22:27 |
We Have Los Jaivas and Congreso
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 16 2009 at 23:12 |
perennial_quest
Forum Newbie Joined: March 08 2007 Location: Quebec Status: Offline Points: 14 |
Posted: March 17 2009 at 00:30 |
I'm from Quebec, Canada. A few bands have already been mentionned, and I will add a lot more.
Well there's the obvious, Harmonium and Maneige, both well known in PA. Then there's: Harmonium-related: Fiori-Seguin (Deux cents nuits a l'heure) : Collaboration between Serge Fiori and well known folk singer Richard Seguin. It's a bit too pop a times but there are some gems on this record. Neil Chotem (Live au El Casino) : Neil was a major collaborator on Harmonium's L'heptade (and also played on the Fiori-Seguin album). The songs are mostly instrumental and mixes classical and soft jazz with some prog touches. Neil is accompanied by most of the Harmonium lineup from l'Heptade along with Marie-Claire Seguin, Richard's sister. Vers l'infini is an amazing song and absolute standout. Rather hard to find but really good stuff. There's also Ville-Emard Blues Band, a huge jazz/fusion collective of over 20 musicians, including the whole lineup of Contraction, some future/ex-members of Harmonium, Vos Voisins,Toubadou and many more. VEBB related: Contraction (s/t, La bourse ou la vie) : their second LP is amazing, their style is mostly into softer jazz with some rock and folk thrown in. Yves Laferrière (s/t) : Contraction's mainman released a solo LP in '78, and it sounds pretty much like what Contraction's 3rd LP could have been. Excellent stuff, especially the song Mouvements. Jacques Blais (Themes) : This is a solo LP from Blais meaning that the music is from Blais but since it was produced by Laferriere and performed with Contraction members it has a bit of Contraction style to it. Most of the album is great but there are few duds aiming toward the pop crowd. Vos Voisins (s/t) : Pretty solid heavy prog with lots of Hammond. Sung in joual (quebec slang). Their guitar player was later part of VEBB. And there are many more: Aquarelle (Sous un Arbre, Live a Montreux) : Solid jazz/fusion/prog, a bit like Maneige's '76-'79 period. Et Cetera (s/t) : They take the syncopated style of Gentle Giant and add their own twist. Male/female vocals and dual keyboards. A bit derivative of other English bands but great stuff. Incubus (Memoires incubussiennes) : Now called ExCubus to avoid confusion with other similar-named bands. They recorded some stuff in the 70's but never managed to make a record. They reunited in 2008 and recorded some more tracks. The whole thing was released by ProgQuebec recently. Their sound is like a cross between ELP and Le Orme, add to that some electric guitar and a heavier, more menacing tone and you can guess what they sound like. Excellent stuff. Morse Code (Marche des Hommes, Procreation, Je suis le temps) : Not really my cup of tea, but they made some really great symphonic stuff like the title tracks of La Marche des Hommes and Procreation. Octobre (s/t, Les Nouvelles Terres, Survivance, L'autoroute des reves, Live-Chants dans la nuit) : I'm surprised they aren't more well known. This is one of the best bands of Quebec, prog rock with a slight jazz touch. Top notch musicians, especially the drums and bass guitar. Survivance, les Nouvelles terres and the live album are all mandatory. Opus5 (Contre-courant) : Excellent symphonic stuff with jazz influence. I had a bit of problems with the vocals at first. Pollen (s/t) : One of the best symphonic prog album ever made in Quebec. Need I say more? Sloche (J'un oeil, Stadacone) : Absolutely amazing band, mostly intrumental, alternating between jazz/fusion and Gentle Giant weirdness. Both albums are mandatory. Solstice (Mirage, Espresso) : Mostly a jazz-rock band with some prog touches. Espresso is the best of the two. The bass player is amazing. I'm not very familiar with modern bands but there are a few that I care about: Karcius (Sphere, Kaleidoscope, Episode) : Excellent all instrumental band with King Crimson and metal influence. Their best is Kaleidoscope. Spaced Out (s/t, Eponymous 2, Slow Gin, Unstable Matter, Evolution) : Heavy Jazz-Metal-Prog, a bit like Planet X. Their bassist is absolutely stunning. All their albums are good but a I have a soft spot for Slow Gin. Talisma (Corpius, Chromium, Quelque Part) : Amazing instrumental band, influenced by Crimson and a lot of other things including world music. Considering they live about 30 km from my house, it's hard to get more "local" than this. And let's not forget prog metal: Augury (Conceiled) : Mixes brutal death metal, melodic and eclectic stuff altogether. Can't wait for their new album due out this year. Martyr (Hopeless Hopes, Warp Zone, Feeding the Abcess) : Picture post-1991 Death, Atheist, Cynic and Voivod all rolled into one. Amazing band. Moonlyght (Progressive Darkness, Shining): Mixed black metal, power metal, folk and prog elements. Great melodic band. Sons of Nihil (Sons of Nihil, Unfolding Destiny) : Highly complex black metal with good production. Hard to get into at first but very rewarding. Unexpect (Utopia, we_Invaders, In a flesh aquarium) : One of the most extreme and eclectic bands I know. Mixes every style of metal imaginable along with circus music, movie soundtracks, video game soundtracks and classical music. Voivod (Killing Technology, Dimension Hatross, Nothingface, The Outer Limits) : The godfathers of Quebec metal. Most of their albums have thrash metal influences. The outer limits and Angel Rat are less thrash, more melodic and the most progressive. Nothingface and Dimension Hatross are prog metal classics. |
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Eapo_q42
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 15 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 148 |
Posted: March 17 2009 at 18:16 |
For those italians out there...
I never managed to get into RPI...yet. I want to. I'm a huge symphonic, eclectic and prog-folk fan, with hundreds of albums in my collection from those three styles, plus some canterbury, space rock and krautrock. But I never got into RPI because of one little thing...i really enjoy lyrical content and i don't speak italian. So can anybody tell me which, if any, RPI bands might have lyrics in english? I know, it sounds a little shallow, but that's just where I want to start. I'm sure i'll go exploring the genre from there... |
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Raff
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Posted: March 17 2009 at 18:29 |
If you are looking for good examples of RPI with English lyrics, don't bother, and save your money for something else. None of the albums in English by Italian bands even remotely approach the brilliance of those recorded in Italian. I am a native speaker of Italian, and can't stand people singing in bad English, with very heavy accents. If lyrics are so important for you, stick to prog coming from English-speaking countries. You would not get a good idea of the subgenre anyway, and those RPI CDs do not come cheap.
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micky
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Posted: March 17 2009 at 18:33 |
Raff's right (especially regarding the 'classic' stuff) ... very few did... and if you want English vocals... your exploration into Italian prog will be a mighty short and unfufilling one. Besides... prog has never exactly been known for great lyrics anyway.. those guys are muso's.... not philosophers. |
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Eapo_q42
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Posted: March 17 2009 at 18:48 |
I know it's weird...but even when the lyrics are complete nonsense (Like Jon Anderson's for example) or even when they're not native english speakers (like Eloy and Amon Duul II) I still like to know what they're saying.
And I have this nasty habit of singing along to my favourite songs all the time. I can't do that for foreign languages. I can't really explain. For me its just a personal thing. It has to be in english or it has to be instrumental. Edited by Eapo_q42 - March 17 2009 at 18:48 |
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micky
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Posted: March 17 2009 at 18:50 |
no shame in that...
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Eapo_q42
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 15 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 148 |
Posted: March 17 2009 at 18:56 |
Oh, and just one other thing.
Although it's true that most prog bands are not known for their lyrics, that doesn't mean they can't be appreciated. I think that the Wetton era KIng Crimson had some very poignant and eloquent lyrics, whether written by Palmer-James or by Wetton himself. I think that also Peter Hammill of VDGG has a very nice way with words. And, of course, the immortal Mr. Roger Waters is one of the finest lyricists of all time, in my opinion. Edited by Eapo_q42 - March 17 2009 at 18:56 |
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micky
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Posted: March 17 2009 at 19:19 |
hey Eapo... a novel thought for you... try an RPI album.. and think not of the lyrics... but the voice as an instrument. You mentioned you liked instrumentals?? The voice is an instrument in itself...
my Italian is limited to understanding when I'm told to f**k off in Italian ordering a Pizza or a pack of Winstons... I simply look at the singing... the vocals as an instrument to be taken with some of the best.. most dynamic prog out there. Try it... you might be surprised. |
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Jake Kobrin
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 20 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1303 |
Posted: March 17 2009 at 19:28 |
From the SF Bay Area:
Alientar
MagellanScott Amendola Ashpool The Attila and Dave Project Avalon Rising Avant Garden Azigza Bartron Tyler Group Robert Berry Emily Bezar Blue Sky Theory Lindsey Boullt Pollyanna Bush Cairo Chantz Barry Cleveland / Cloud Chamber Crime in Choir Michael P. Dawson (Biffy the Elephant Shrew) Della Terra / Aegis Integer Enchant Episode Epoch Esucarys The Field Falcone/Fireclan/Spaceship Eyes/Spirits Burning Flametal Jack Foster III Jefferson Starship Journey Fractal The Grateful Dead Gravity Tree Sammy Hagar Hazerfan Headshear Eric Kampman David LaFlamme (It's a Beautiful Day) Lana Lane Madame Blavatsky Overdrive Michael Manring Maximum Indifference Metallica Metaphor Mind Furniture Lloyd Minthorne Mirthkon MohoDisco Monks of Doom Tim Morse Moth Vellum Mushroom Netherworld Amy X Neuburg & Men The Neurohumors New Sun Erik Norlander Roger Powell Product Puppet Show Quasar Relic Rocket Scientists Santana Savant Guard Scribe Sleepytime Gorilla Museum Tempest Tesseract thin pillow Don Tillman Timeline Trap Tungsten Daevid Allen's University of Errors Carl Weingarten And probably a few more that I can't remember. |
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Eapo_q42
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 15 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 148 |
Posted: March 17 2009 at 19:37 |
Micky:
Yeah, that sounds prefectly reasonable and I'm a rational guy. The only problem is monetary, really. I've thought about RPI a lot, as so many prog fans put albums from the genre in their top 10's or 20's whatever. But i've just been afraid of spending money on a pricey import (i live in Australia, prog can sometimes be hard to find locally) and then feeling like it's "nice" but not really my thing, you know? So if it's not too much trouble, could you tell me what the general "sound" of some of the premier italian bands is similar to? (example: such and such band has saxophone similar to VDGG, or such and such band has weird percussion similar to KC, etc, etc.) If this is too difficult a task, don't sweat it, I won't mind. |
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micky
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Posted: March 17 2009 at 19:39 |
hahah..not difficult at all... that is my job here .... give me little bit though I'm about out for the evening. I'll PM some stuff and thoughts for you... give me a day or two on that.
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Raff
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Posted: March 17 2009 at 19:53 |
Why don't you start with the MP3 samples here on the site? Go to the main page of RPI, and you'll find a nice selection of songs. From those you should already be able to determine whether the language problem is too much for you, or if you are willing to explore further. We could recommend you a lot of stuff here, but ultimately it is your ear that has to decide what sounds 'right' for you. |
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Finnforest
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Posted: March 17 2009 at 19:57 |
Trust her on this |
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valravennz
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Posted: March 17 2009 at 21:38 |
I think Prog Rock is mainly a Northern Hemisphere thing although I can see South America features strongly. It has never been huge for bands here, to play prog rock. We have had the odd attempt with Ragnarok(NZ), Airlord who were 70's bands and Split Enz from both 70's and 80's. I am sure there were other prog related bands but they were never established long enough to make an impression here. Most of our talented musicians headed overseas to make their fortune and they still do now. The New Zealand music scene has always been dominated by popular music and in the past decade or so, has seen a rise in rap/hip-hop of the Polynesian Pacifica variety. We have had a notable number of great post-punk bands and some great heavy metal bands. Unfortunately, the prog scene is rather arid in this country. I have discovered prog by word of email (friends who live in Europe) and from PA. to whom I owe a huge debt for my continued interest in Prog Music.
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topofsm
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 17 2008 Location: Arizona, USA Status: Offline Points: 1698 |
Posted: March 28 2009 at 01:51 |
I thought this would be the best place to post this.
Where I am in Arizona, It's pretty hard to find exactly the album I want in record stores. Often times I'll browse for hours in a certain Virgin Records store searching for the best possible purchase. They often won't have certain albums that I'm looking for (from GG, Pain of Salvation, King Crimson, stuff that isn't too popular here). More times than not, I settle for a second choice, or come across something that seemed interesting
However, I was just in Costa Rica for a wekk and was in a mall for a little while, and being the music enthusiast I was I checked out a small record shop. I went immediately to the rock/pop section and looked through the selection. I was thoroughly dissapointed by the available CDs. I looked around the corner to discover an ENTIRE SECTION dedicated to progressive rock. There was an entire column of just Pink Floyd cds, and half a column of KC cds, with tons of artists that until then I was sure I'd never see in a record store (like PFM). Right next to them was a section dedicated all to progressive metal. There was an entire colum of just Dream Theater cds, with several others right next to them.
I was so impressed. I especially thought it was interesting that there was a section for progressive metal when there wasn't even a section for regular metal. I saw an Obituary album in the rock/pop section.
I can't wait to go to Sweden if this is what the music scene is like there.
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ProgShine
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 01:58 |
Brazil have a lot of good prog bands, but people here have short memory too, and a minimum interest in new things, so the bands suffer a lot, but, hey, just take a look over here (http://www.progarchives.com/Bands-country.asp?country=108) and see how many, and how good our bands are
I am really proud of Prog Rock made in Brazil, the most are really special and fantastic. Edited by ProgShine - March 28 2009 at 01:59 |
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aapatsos
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 16:02 |
PANZERBALLET rocks!!! What an amazing band! First time I heard through Dick Heath's radio show and I was amazed!! |
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aapatsos
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 16:10 |
Strangely, the first post about Greek bands, comes from a non-native... Thanks for that!!! The second comes from a native who lives abroad... To add to your thoughts, from the 14 bands/artists listed on this site (apart from the ones you mentioned), FRAGILE VASTNESS, HORIZON'S END and WASTEFALL have produced some good albums. In particular, the former have been around for quite a while... Vangelis has his own history in world music... |
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