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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2008 at 00:21
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Oh and most likely if ELP had had a lead guitarist like David Gilmour, Steve Howe, Steve Hackett.. etc. and had not been so keyboard heavy... there wouldn't be so much bashing going on.  Or you wouldn't hear that the music "didn't age" that well.


I quite agree, I have heard many complaints about how 70s prog was too keyboard-centric. Well, that's what I like most about that phase, it gives it a different appeal from most rock-based music in general which is guitar-oriented. And ELP took it to the extreme.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2008 at 14:47
I recently purchased the ELP DVD compilation called Beyond the Beginning.  It is really kind of funny ("funny strange" not "funny ha ha") to watch because the video coverage spans their entire careers.  I saw ELP a few times live during the 90's and I picture Greg Lake's voice as fitting the older Greg Lake of the 90's.  Watching the video and hearing that voice come from the young kid Greg Lake, it kind of looks funny.  I suppose that it is probably a matter of what you are used to, but this observation leads me to think that he had a very mature voice when he was younger, and that he grew into that voice as it seems to match his age now.  Any thoughts?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2008 at 15:17
Sounds like an interesting DVD.

I've got
Live at the Royal Albert Hall
Pictures at an Exhibition
The Works Orchestral Tour/The Manticore Special

No thoughts on Lakes voice though.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2008 at 15:42
I also got it , although i would had liked a full version of "Tarkus". The 5 hour material is a must for any ELP fan.
 
 
I also have Pictures... and Masters from the Vaults which is a 40 minute powerful performance by the band at the very beginning of their career.
 
Startibastfast , one of the Tarkus versions is from Royal Albert Hall in 1992 , but it's cut  before Battlefield. Your DVD has the full version??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2008 at 18:21
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I recently purchased the ELP DVD compilation called Beyond the Beginning.  It is really kind of funny ("funny strange" not "funny ha ha") to watch because the video coverage spans their entire careers.  I saw ELP a few times live during the 90's and I picture Greg Lake's voice as fitting the older Greg Lake of the 90's.  Watching the video and hearing that voice come from the young kid Greg Lake, it kind of looks funny.  I suppose that it is probably a matter of what you are used to, but this observation leads me to think that he had a very mature voice when he was younger, and that he grew into that voice as it seems to match his age now.  Any thoughts?


That's a great DVD. I actually became an ELP fan last year thanks to that DVD, before I used to listen to Brain salad surgery and Trilogy but have not really got into them until then.
About Greg's voice I agree it sounded very mature for such a young kid. But all I know is it really changed a lot, I still like it but sometimes I miss the sound of his 70's voice.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2008 at 18:42
To the original point of this thread, I would put ELP's debut or Trilogy in the top 10. I'm not a big fan of ELP's debut, but man! That's INNOVATION MANN!! Too much Court, but where's ELP's debut!!
And well Trilogy, yeah it's my fave ELP album, and I think it's their most consistent album. Brain Salad Surgery and Tarkus have the thundering epics, but also have some lower points IMO.

I can't understand why people bash their overblowing, etc, etc stuff, and like Prog. I mean Prog is unique for THOSE qualities and more, but those qualities are one of the main characteristics of Prog IMHO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2008 at 19:08

One of ELP's great characteristics is that they had no guitarist (yeah, they let Lake play a little now and then).  One of the points of ELP was that a keyboard-driven rock band could be better than any guitar-driven band.  I'm no biographical historian, but I'd wager much of E's motivation was to prove that the guitar, as a primary instrument,  was unnecessary.  I'd say he succeeded.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2008 at 19:27
I think the key in ELP's music is that it's very uplifting. They always put me in a good mood even with their weaker stuff. I can't understand why they are labeled as a cold band. In my opinion I think ELP was the only prog band of the 70's ( outside of heavy prog) for which you could say : They Rock!!
But it's all a matter of taste. Now SEBTP , that's coldness to me. Neither the moonlight knight nor firth of filth do nothing for me. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2008 at 22:39
Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

In my opinion I think ELP was the only prog band of the 70's ( outside of heavy prog) for which you could say : They Rock!!


What about Gentle Giant?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2008 at 06:29
Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

I also got it , although i would had liked a full version of "Tarkus". The 5 hour material is a must for any ELP fan.
 
 
I also have Pictures... and Masters from the Vaults which is a 40 minute powerful performance by the band at the very beginning of their career.
 
Startibastfast , one of the Tarkus versions is from Royal Albert Hall in 1992 , but it's cut  before Battlefield. Your DVD has the full version??

I'm honestly not sure and embarrassed to admit it.  I suspect it's even more abbreviated, 9:17 minutes.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2008 at 08:08
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

In my opinion I think ELP was the only prog band of the 70's ( outside of heavy prog) for which you could say : They Rock!!


What about Gentle Giant?

 
While I was typing my answer I thought of " The boys in the band"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2008 at 09:34
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

One of ELP's great characteristics is that they had no guitarist (yeah, they let Lake play a little now and then).  One of the points of ELP was that a keyboard-driven rock band could be better than any guitar-driven band.  I'm no biographical historian, but I'd wager much of E's motivation was to prove that the guitar, as a primary instrument,  was unnecessary.  I'd say he succeeded.

 
I read an interview with Emerson about his early days in bands. He said he got frustrated being stuck at the back wih his immobile keyboard while the exhibitionist up front with the guitar got all the attention. After Davy O'List left the Nice apparently the only guitarists he wanted to work with were Steve Howe and Jimi Hendrix. Howe came to audition for The Nice and they begged him to join but he decided to stay with his own band (think it must have been Bodast at the time). A real shame as I'd love to have heard what Emerson and Howe could have come up with playing together at their peak.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2008 at 10:25
Steve Howe's band at that time must have been Tomorrow I'd guess, who made a wonderful psych' LP, including the classic 'My White Bicycle' of course. He made the right decision.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 20 2008 at 19:15
I'm pretty sure Tomorrow had broken up by mid-1968 and Howe had formed Bodast, so I think he would have been with them when he auditioned for The Nice. Bodast did some great tracks anyway, especially Nether Street (the precursor of Wurm from Starship Trouper) which features some truly awesome Howe guitar work. Howe and Emerson (along with Jan Akkerman) are my favourite prog instrumentalists so I really would have loved to have heard  'em playing together. But we should of course be grateful for what we have, rather than wishing for what might have been....

Edited by Cactus Choir - December 20 2008 at 19:23
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2009 at 07:04
Had to bump this thread.
 
I got Brain Salad Surgery on cd for Christmas, previously only had it on vinyl and hadn't heard it for a few years.  You know the scenario, it's one of those albums that you know is a classic, you've just not listened to it much recently.  You know, to me it sounds better than ever, and I can't believe how under-appreciated it is.
 
Well, enough is enough.  Brain Salad Surgery is a classic.  How can this be averaging little over 4 stars?  It's a joke, this is every bit as good as Selling England and CTTE and a damn sight better than TAAB.  So, I will do my bit, and I will be providing a 5-star review for this masterpiece.  Whether this will make much difference I don't know as I'm non-collab, reviewer etc. 
 
If this album doesn't warrant 5 stars, then what does?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2009 at 09:16
Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

 
Well, enough is enough.  Brain Salad Surgery is a classic.  How can this be averaging little over 4 stars?  It's a joke, this is every bit as good as Selling England and CTTE and a damn sight better than TAAB.  So, I will do my bit, and I will be providing a 5-star review for this masterpiece.  Whether this will make much difference I don't know as I'm non-collab, reviewer etc. 
 
If this album doesn't warrant 5 stars, then what does?
 
Job done Approve.
 
5-Star review now posted.
 
Clappies anybody?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2009 at 18:48
The problem with ELP was that they didn't take themselves seriously. They played bombastic over the top pretentious music that many people wanted. Me included.

Steve Howe stated that Yes took themselves to seriously, and i bet their albums are all over the top 100.

Horses for courses...but ELP did more for prog than any other band, and also started stadium rock.

Too many people don't like ELP because they didn't get it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2009 at 19:48
I'm over ELP. The first 3 albums were cool without being brilliant. But I only like a few songs since then. Brain Salad surgery only seemed to have about 15 minutes of quality to my ears
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2009 at 20:01
Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

 
Well, enough is enough.  Brain Salad Surgery is a classic.  How can this be averaging little over 4 stars?  It's a joke, this is every bit as good as Selling England and CTTE and a damn sight better than TAAB.  So, I will do my bit, and I will be providing a 5-star review for this masterpiece.  Whether this will make much difference I don't know as I'm non-collab, reviewer etc. 
 
If this album doesn't warrant 5 stars, then what does?
 
Job done Approve.
 
5-Star review now posted.
 
Clappies anybody?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2009 at 20:29
Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

Originally posted by febus febus wrote:

 

big, loud, bombastic and overblown.

 
 
That's the way I like my prog.When you put these 4 words together magic happens.
 
What the heck is wrong with those people?? Seems they had too much prog metal exposure.Angry
 


Hah! Have you heard Ayreon??? It's all four of those... and I don't really like it.
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