Yes, and Citriniti's Between  Music and Latitude.

Can anyone enlighten me as to why many of these vocalists sound like they do? I've heard people puke more attractively than the way some of these guys sound. What art is there in grunting loudly - you don't need any operatic skill that's for sure. Also why are the lyrics not about trees, forests, fast cars or whatever other than Dark Angels and Horror Movie wet dreams. In hell I would expect to hear the type of sounds that come out of many of this genre / sub genre of music. Obviously I'm not a fan - a million miles away from Yes, Jethro Tull, Genesis, Marillion etc.

why are you here? 
You obviously have a very negative opinion of the bands here, havent read ANY lyrics, have very little experience in the genre, and seem to not WANT to like it. i mean, you'll have to try, you know, use your ears. if they sound like puking to you then nothing anyone says is going to change what you hear.
you have to put forth the effort.

first of all, the whole devil demonic thing is so. . . 3rd grade. thats absolutely false. read some lyrics sheets or grow up.
secondly, this genre ISNT traditional prog metal ie. Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation, Symphony X - so its not going to sound like those bands.
thirdly. for future reference, coming to a thread and insulting the people in it and then asking for help is generally not the BEST way to go about getting the help you want.

Im not going to defend extreme vocals to someone who doesnt want to like them. i like them, i used to not like them, and it wasnt anything anyone said that changed my mind. Listen to the music, which you havent, and come back when you have something constructive to say.

keiser willhelm wrote: why are you here?  You obviously have a very negative opinion of the bands here, havent read ANY lyrics, have very little experience in the genre, and seem to not WANT to like it. i mean, you'll have to try, you know, use your ears. if they sound like puking to you then nothing anyone says is going to change what you hear. you have to put forth the effort. first of all, the whole devil demonic thing is so. . . 3rd grade. thats absolutely false. read some lyrics sheets or grow up. secondly, this genre ISNT traditional prog metal ie. Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation, Symphony X - so its not going to sound like those bands. thirdly. for future reference, coming to a thread and insulting the people in it and then asking for help is generally not the BEST way to go about getting the help you want. Im not going to defend extreme vocals to someone who doesnt want to like them. i like them, i used to not like them, and it wasnt anything anyone said that changed my mind. Listen to the music, which you havent, and come back when you have something constructive to say.

Keiser, thank you my man.

And now you see, Keiser, is a guy around PA that not only knows his stuff, but I and many other people around here have a great deal of respect for this guy.
I respect him cos he knows what the hell is he talking about.
And I 100 agree per cent with what you said Keiser.

I was the same man, I used to not like death growls and hardcore screams.

But here I am now, as a Progressive Metal Team, who was promoted partly on the basis that I had a much clearer and greater understanding of Tech/Extreme metal than sleeper and The T, and they needed someone who could fill the gap of knowledge these guys know less of.
And for what I don't know in traditional prog metal, The T really knows his stuff.

And no, I'm not going to help out someone that has just insulted a genre that I absolutely love (just as Keiser rightfully suspected)  and as a PMT member, do work for.
The Tech/Extreme genre means a hell of a lot to me, to Planky, to Jody, to JayDee and a few other guys here.

To come in and insult a genre of music I practically, listen to hours per day and play on guitar (put simply, I live and breath this genre) is really not doing yourself any favors in regards to me respecting you, slaver.

I goddamn guarantee you, Jody, Planky, JayDee and the other Tech/Extreme fans are not going to be happy with you.
At all.
Not one bit.

I will ask you leave this thread, because your post was simply asking for trouble.

There is a blatant difference between asking for trouble, deliberately trolling in a thread to incite angry responses and posting something worthy of positive discussion.

I wont give you any trouble for it.

But I can't guarantee others will be so lenient.






Edited by HughesJB4 - December 05 2008 at 02:30

I think you made up your mind already on whether you wanted help or not.

The people that come into this thread and politely ask for suggestions on bands in the genre, AND DO WITHOUT BASHING THE GENRE IN THE PROCESS get help and kind support from guys like us.

"unfortunately Death Metal is music"

"played with emotion(other than anger)"

Yep, you made up your mind.

Opeth would be your gateway band slaver, if you are unwilling to spend the time to appreciate what they do .. then I'm afraid it's a lost cause, when it comes to the vocals...

Edited by Plankowner - December 05 2008 at 03:18

Nothing wrong with Louis Armstrong.
He's a good musician, I like his stuff too.
But the point is, you insulted the genre.
And an Appreciation thread isn't really the place to bash/be critical of a band.

I wouldn't go into an Appreciation thread made by you on a band/genre you like that I don't and bash the band/genre.
I expect the same kind of respect from you and anyone else, and ask people to think twice before trolling a thread like this.

"Sorry if I annoyed but that can be my way in that firstly music is an emotive thing with me"

Music is an emotive thing to me too.
Otherwise I wouldn't listen to music.
Just because something isn't emotional to you doesn't mean others can't find the emotion in it, geezus.
You have to learn to accept that.

Hi HughesJB4 - my humble opinion about that matter is that you can never truelly know a thing until you've heard the harshest critisisms and the lushest praises for that thing. I never buy a car without listening to those who insult it and those who love it and then putting my own feelings for it into perspective. I love just about every genre of music out there except for Death Metal and I don't understand my own dislike for it. I wasn't trolling your thread - I came in with a purpose and that was to ascertain my understanding or lack of it regarding Death Metal - the responses I got - including from you will get me purchasing some Mastoden albums and listening to Opeth again over the weekend. Why - because you guys defended it so vehemently. You don't defend what aint worth defending.

I actually like you and look forward to many discussions with you although Stratovarius isn't featured anywhere on Progarchives - LOL.

Yes, but again, let me reiterate.

This is an appreciation thread.
This is not where you go to criticize and bash bands/genres.
I understand what you mean Slaver, but in future, please respect the appreciation threads.

You're free to criticize and bash bands in other threads.
But again, this thread and others like it aren't the place to do it.

Cheers.

Lindisfarne, not heard them I'm afraid.

Shadows Fall is for the most part, basically a metalcore band, and not the of the progressive sort either.