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    Posted: November 23 2008 at 16:29
I am interested to see what people believe of Coroner as being included in PA.

I would definitely consider them under tech/extreme prog metal. Has this band ever been discussed for inclusion?

Their early albums are closer to straight thrash. but later ones such as Grin (1993) are way closer to tech metal, and have influenced many current acts.

More info on Coroner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coroner_(band)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2008 at 16:59
Great band, should be under tech/extreme prog metal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2008 at 03:42
Band has previously been evaled and rejected by the metal team. Had them checked by one of the new members there now - conclusion: Mainly thrash with jazz tendencies, lacking in prog elements.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2008 at 03:46
No More Colour, Mental Vortex and Grin are all interesting albums and great technical metal. I think they´ve been rejected once though. Too bad as they were a pretty groundbreaking band in those days. Those solos always makes me wanna grap my guitar and practice ´till my fingers bleed. So powerful yet melodic.
 
Maybe a re-evaluation is in place prog metal team ( now that almost all members have been replaced and new eyes might see things differently)?
 
They are a borderline case IMO but that doesn´t mean that they wouldn´t fit nicely in the tech/extreme prog metal catagory. It would most definitely be a yes vote from me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2008 at 05:30
Read above - re-evaluation already taken care of; and rejection still very much in place for this outfit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2008 at 07:32
Well maybe the other 4 members feel differently about it ? Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2008 at 07:46
The others in that team know where to get samples for evaluation - all the team was informed of the suggestion as well. If anyone wants them in I'll update this thread - but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen ;-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2008 at 08:42
OK it sounds like you´ve tried your best with Coroner. That´s the way it is right ? You win some and you lose someBig smile.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2008 at 14:00
At least I am happy that it has been discussed within the approval team. Peace Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2008 at 10:36
Good band i have their discography, very blistering solos, Totentanz is a great prog (for me) track




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2008 at 11:05
Serpent Moves is on my top list ;-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 06:50
Sorry if I insist on a dead-like topic, but I can hardly understand, despite of some reasons written here, why Coroner is not in the PA database.
Frankly, if PA includes Pestilence, Voivod, Atheist or Cynic, it should also include Coroner, for they are the very creators of tech-thrash. In the nineties, the Swiss trio was linked to the first bands I've quoted by metal critics and fans.
They may not have recorded twenty-minutes epics, but neither did Pestilence or Cynic. Moreover, it had been said that Coroner was "thrash with jazz tendencies"... Same things were said about the other bands in the reviews of these times.
Plus, they covered the Beatles and Jimi Hendix: isn't it proggy enough? (Irony inside)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 07:18
Without being a metal expert, I did grow up listening to some of these acts - and bands like Voivod, Atheist and Cynic are certainly more complex - at least that's what my memory tells me. Pestilence was never an act I bothered to check out back then; and don't feel like checking them out now.

Still, the metal experts have checked em out, and with two refusions after separate evals by separate teams this dead horse should get a pause from the flogging I believe.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 07:27
Having been partially responsible for the prog metal split, I'll throw in my 2 cents:

Having a category like "Tech/Extreme Prog Metal" is a cool thing, but it wasn't meant to include any metal band which happens to play technical stuff. "Technical" can mean "difficult to play" ... but that alone is not enough to make a band prog. At least not for me ... others may find that technical ability alone is sufficient.

For me a band is suitable for Tech/Extreme should of course have superior musicians, and the music usually contains stuff that's difficult to play. But the music should also be experimental and/or incorporate elements of Jazz/Fusion (acoustic interludes are not enough), or it should contain obvious references to classical prog (Opeth being the perfect example). I've only heard some samples of Coroner, but from what I heard there's simply not enough prog in their music other than its technical level.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 11:34
Listen to whole albums and not just samples. Your opinion will seem a bit more valid if that was the case. Coroner is a borderline case and you need to examine their music more intimately than just listening to samples. For their most technical metal albums you should listen to No More Colour and Mental Vortex and for their most experimental side try and listen to Grin ( Pretty strange that one right?).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 12:01
They did indeed listen to a whole album - the self-titled collection from 96 or something - and was given a pretty accurate description as this being a cross-section from the entire career; and that I could send over the individual albums for closer inspection if anything sounded interesting in a prog sort of way. Besides, it shows the bands development pretty well - and contains quite a few of what I consider being the band's proggiest moments.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 12:05
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

Listen to whole albums and not just samples. Your opinion will seem a bit more valid if that was the case. Coroner is a borderline case and you need to examine their music more intimately than just listening to samples. For their most technical metal albums you should listen to No More Colour and Mental Vortex and for their most experimental side try and listen to Grin ( Pretty strange that one right?).


Maybe I'll listen to those songs some day ... maybe I did listen to them a few years ago and forgot. In any case, I'm not a member of the team anymore, so my opinion has nothing to do with whether they get added here or not. If you like, you can rate and tag them on my little website, where prog status is determined by a completely democratic process (shamless plugBig smile).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 12:11
Coroner were hugely influential on Cynic, I remember seeing Shawn Malone sporting Coroner shirts all the time,  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 12:22
Yeah Mike I know you´re not a member of the team anymore I was just trying to explain that I think listening to whole albums makes more sense when you´re dealing with borderline cases like Coroner. And thanks Olav for explaining what the team members listened to when they evaluated Coroner. It doesn´t change my opinion that they should listen to the three albums I have mentioned in full before deciding. Remember this is a recommendation and shouldn´t be understood in any other way. I respect the teams decision but it doesn´t mean I can´t make recommendations. They do listen from time to time LOL.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 12:27
This is what they listened to now - with the "instructions" as listed. What were done on the first eval I don't know, and for all I know more albums may have been investigated on second eval as well; but I sent them the one as specified with instructions as specified ;-)
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