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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 01:01
Jammun said:  "Who said anything about the solo stuff???  The poll was Beatles vs. Rush.  Rush would not exist without the Beatles.  Nor would any other band on this site."


I already gave credit to The Beatles contribution to music, they have influenced some of my favorite musicians and I do agree that a lot of bands on this site owe tribute to them. All I was trying to get across was that the solo careers of some of The Beatles band members has soured me to their music and unlike Rush, are less consistent in producing great material . Perhaps you need to read the post thoroughly  and understand what was really said before commenting, because yes this was is poll about Rush vs. The Beatles, but god forbid I explain why I voted for one over the other...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 09:38
Beatles, of course, but they are so different!ShockedShockedShocked
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 09:53
What a poll! For me it's almost like choosing a favorite child. However, I have to give the ultimate nod to the Fab Four. Althought Rush is one of the greatest bands of all time, the Beatles were a cultural phenomenon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 10:56
Originally posted by jimidom jimidom wrote:

What a poll! For me it's almost like choosing a favorite child. However, I have to give the ultimate nod to the Fab Four. Althought Rush is one of the greatest bands of all time, the Beatles were a cultural phenomenon.
 
I am big fan of Rush but its the Beatles. The Beatles were the band that merged Pop/Rock/Experimental/Avant successfully in Rock Music examples "Tomorrow Never Knows" and " A Day in the Life". They made it possible by not releasing singles on Rubber Soul and Sgt Pepper for album orientated groups like Rush and much of Progressive Rock not to rely on singles.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 12:32
   Beatles , without any comment !!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 20:18
It seems people here seem to think it's a sin not to like the people.

If I must be totally honest, I don't really like the Beatles at all.
Yeah, I understand their legacy, their innovations etc, but pretty much most of their music doesn't get along with me at all.
And yes, I've tried listening to them too. Didn't like it much at all.
I voted Rush because I at least like some of their music (some of their songs in particular, I like A LOT) and because it was a poll of what your preference was, not a question of "OMG WHO INFLUENCED WHO BEATLES BETTER THEY INFELUNCED RUSH".

Ask yourself if you simply voted for the Beatles because they are perceived to be more influential or because you actually LIKE THEIR MUSIC MORE.
If you voted for the Beatles simply because they are more influential, yet you like Rush's music more, you have entirely missed the point of the poll and have been quite dishonest to other PA users and yourself.

Vote for who you genuinely like more, not who influenced who.

Sure, Bach came before the Romantic greats, but I still like Chopin and Liszt more.... much  more in fact.
Go figureWink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2008 at 01:20
Originally posted by darksideof darksideof wrote:

THIS BAND GET MY VOTE 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000%Embarrassed
Went to their concert here in Pittsburgh, what was with those chicken? ha
anyway, Rush by a mile, not a Beatles fan
frankly i don't get what's so big about the Beatles, they went from boy band to a middle of the pack psych band, maybe first band carried to hyper-super stardom via tv and marketing I guess


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2008 at 02:01
Wacko Shakespeare vs Steven King!
 
Okay, the newer entrants here are quite good at what they do, but C'MON NOW!!!! Stern Smile
 
Some people have no sense of the enormous cultural debt owed to the pioneers and trail-blazers of the past, I guess.... Ermm
 
Sleepy Now let me go to bed -- enough with the goofy "VS" polls already! Angry
 
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LOL "Rush vs The Beatles" Ha! waddaconcept! LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2008 at 02:18
Bombast v Genius?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2008 at 04:41
Rush by a country mile.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2008 at 05:04
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Wacko Shakespeare vs Steven King!
 
Okay, the newer entrants here are quite good at what they do, but C'MON NOW!!!! Stern Smile
 
Some people have no sense of the enormous cultural debt owed to the pioneers and trail-blazers of the past, I guess.... Ermm
 
Sleepy Now let me go to bed -- enough with the goofy "VS" polls already! Angry
 
Wink
 
LOL "Rush vs The Beatles" Ha! waddaconcept! LOL


So, you're effectively saying, just because the Beatles were the 'pioneers and trailblazers" of the past, we have to like them more and should have voted for them?
Okay, the Beatles were influential, as I already stated.

But I only like about, 2 of their songs, at most.

I like entire albums of Rush, hence I voted Rush.

But what, because they aren't the Beatles, my opinion is no longer valid?
Absolutely ridiculous.

Jimi Hendrix was also massively influential, but he doesn't even figure in my top 50 favorite guitarists.
Does that mean I don't have " a sense of the enormous cultural debt owed to the pioneers and trail-blazers of the past"?

It just means I like many other guitarists more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2008 at 08:21
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Wacko Shakespeare vs Steven King!
 
Okay, the newer entrants here are quite good at what they do, but C'MON NOW!!!! Stern Smile
 
Some people have no sense of the enormous cultural debt owed to the pioneers and trail-blazers of the past, I guess.... Ermm
 
Sleepy Now let me go to bed -- enough with the goofy "VS" polls already! Angry
 
Wink
 
LOL "Rush vs The Beatles" Ha! waddaconcept! LOL


So, you're effectively saying, just because the Beatles were the 'pioneers and trailblazers" of the past, we have to like them more and should have voted for them?
Okay, the Beatles were influential, as I already stated.

But I only like about, 2 of their songs, at most.

I like entire albums of Rush, hence I voted Rush.

But what, because they aren't the Beatles, my opinion is no longer valid?
Absolutely ridiculous.


Jimi Hendrix was also massively influential, but he doesn't even figure in my top 50 favorite guitarists.
Does that mean I don't have " a sense of the enormous cultural debt owed to the pioneers and trail-blazers of the past"?

It just means I like many other guitarists more.
No, I'm certainly NOT saying that. Don't worry, I was well aware of the logical weakness of my post even as i wrote it, but as with many others who've responded, I was struck by the profound dissimilarity between the bands, and was not taking the poll entirely seriously.
 
So please don't take my post seriously -- I was delirious from a lack of sleep, anyway. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2008 at 09:38
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

It seems people here seem to think it's a sin not to like the people.

If I must be totally honest, I don't really like the Beatles at all.
Yeah, I understand their legacy, their innovations etc, but pretty much most of their music doesn't get along with me at all.
And yes, I've tried listening to them too. Didn't like it much at all.
I voted Rush because I at least like some of their music (some of their songs in particular, I like A LOT) and because it was a poll of what your preference was, not a question of "OMG WHO INFLUENCED WHO BEATLES BETTER THEY INFELUNCED RUSH".

Ask yourself if you simply voted for the Beatles because they are perceived to be more influential or because you actually LIKE THEIR MUSIC MORE.
If you voted for the Beatles simply because they are more influential, yet you like Rush's music more, you have entirely missed the point of the poll and have been quite dishonest to other PA users and yourself.

Vote for who you genuinely like more, not who influenced who.

Sure, Bach came before the Romantic greats, but I still like Chopin and Liszt more.... much  more in fact.
Go figureWink
 
i think Hugues that this post that you made have to be the first one in the entire thread.
 
Many people vote against Rush for the reasons you stated before...
 
Anyway at last is music!! Hug




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2008 at 10:19
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Wacko Shakespeare vs Steven King!
 
Okay, the newer entrants here are quite good at what they do, but C'MON NOW!!!! Stern Smile
 
Some people have no sense of the enormous cultural debt owed to the pioneers and trail-blazers of the past, I guess.... Ermm
 
Sleepy Now let me go to bed -- enough with the goofy "VS" polls already! Angry
 
Wink
 
LOL "Rush vs The Beatles" Ha! waddaconcept! LOL


So, you're effectively saying, just because the Beatles were the 'pioneers and trailblazers" of the past, we have to like them more and should have voted for them?
Okay, the Beatles were influential, as I already stated.

But I only like about, 2 of their songs, at most.

I like entire albums of Rush, hence I voted Rush.

But what, because they aren't the Beatles, my opinion is no longer valid?
Absolutely ridiculous.


Jimi Hendrix was also massively influential, but he doesn't even figure in my top 50 favorite guitarists.
Does that mean I don't have " a sense of the enormous cultural debt owed to the pioneers and trail-blazers of the past"?

It just means I like many other guitarists more.
No, I'm certainly NOT saying that. Don't worry, I was well aware of the logical weakness of my post even as i wrote it, but as with many others who've responded, I was struck by the profound dissimilarity between the bands, and was not taking the poll entirely seriously.
 
So please don't take my post seriously -- I was delirious from a lack of sleep, anyway. Wink
 
I'm with you Pete. Rush V Abba next - fun but completely irrelevant irreverency is called for. Besides bother to research and dig out those old Beatles fan magazines, (as the youngsters here should to be more aware of), then the Fab Four make reference to their infuences: the Shadows, Elvis Presley...................... etc ,etc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2008 at 10:32
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

It seems people here seem to think it's a sin not to like the people.

If I must be totally honest, I don't really like the Beatles at all.
Yeah, I understand their legacy, their innovations etc, but pretty much most of their music doesn't get along with me at all.
And yes, I've tried listening to them too. Didn't like it much at all.
I voted Rush because I at least like some of their music (some of their songs in particular, I like A LOT) and because it was a poll of what your preference was, not a question of "OMG WHO INFLUENCED WHO BEATLES BETTER THEY INFELUNCED RUSH".

Ask yourself if you simply voted for the Beatles because they are perceived to be more influential or because you actually LIKE THEIR MUSIC MORE.
If you voted for the Beatles simply because they are more influential, yet you like Rush's music more, you have entirely missed the point of the poll and have been quite dishonest to other PA users and yourself.

Vote for who you genuinely like more, not who influenced who.

Sure, Bach came before the Romantic greats, but I still like Chopin and Liszt more.... much  more in fact.
Go figureWink
 
 

 In my opinion you are insulting people here or its sour grapes on your part. You think people can't decide who they like better here? Many people who like the Beatles better are showing respect to Rush by complimenting them.  Its old news The Beatles are way more popular than Rush around the world. The majority of good musicians (influential or not) already proclaimed the Beatles as the greatest rock band ever. Yes, I said rock band - that is what they produced, rock music. Today we have thousands of different music classifications, but this was not the case in the sixties.

What irritates most of Beatle haters which I am not saying you are is the fact that they were very good and very popular at the same time, and Beatle haters firmly believe this is physically impossible.

Funniest thing is that the fabs were the biggest idols and had a major influence over most of the bands loved by Beatle haters,

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2008 at 20:39
Originally posted by ModernRocker79 ModernRocker79 wrote:

Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

It seems people here seem to think it's a sin not to like the people.

If I must be totally honest, I don't really like the Beatles at all.
Yeah, I understand their legacy, their innovations etc, but pretty much most of their music doesn't get along with me at all.
And yes, I've tried listening to them too. Didn't like it much at all.
I voted Rush because I at least like some of their music (some of their songs in particular, I like A LOT) and because it was a poll of what your preference was, not a question of "OMG WHO INFLUENCED WHO BEATLES BETTER THEY INFELUNCED RUSH".

Ask yourself if you simply voted for the Beatles because they are perceived to be more influential or because you actually LIKE THEIR MUSIC MORE.
If you voted for the Beatles simply because they are more influential, yet you like Rush's music more, you have entirely missed the point of the poll and have been quite dishonest to other PA users and yourself.

Vote for who you genuinely like more, not who influenced who.

Sure, Bach came before the Romantic greats, but I still like Chopin and Liszt more.... much  more in fact.
Go figureWink
 
 

 In my opinion you are insulting people here or its sour grapes on your part. You think people can't decide who they like better here? Many people who like the Beatles better are showing respect to Rush by complimenting them.  Its old news The Beatles are way more popular than Rush around the world. The majority of good musicians (influential or not) already proclaimed the Beatles as the greatest rock band ever. Yes, I said rock band - that is what they produced, rock music. Today we have thousands of different music classifications, but this was not the case in the sixties.

What irritates most of Beatle haters which I am not saying you are is the fact that they were very good and very popular at the same time, and Beatle haters firmly believe this is physically impossible.

Funniest thing is that the fabs were the biggest idols and had a major influence over most of the bands loved by Beatle haters,



Okay, but the "Greatest" is always going to be subjective.

I don't think I need to state again I understand how influential and popular they have been.


"What irritates most of Beatle haters which I am not saying you are is the fact that they were very good and very popular at the same time, and Beatle haters firmly believe this is physically impossible"
Well, I would hardly call myself a Beatles hater, correct. I don't go out of my way to make posts here, or on other forum boards about me hating them, I just tend to leave them alone as I think other people should feel free to enjoy it as they will.
But that doesn't change the fact I don't think their music is particularly good to my ears, influential or not, so to me, they aren't the greatest rock band ever.
Maybe one day, I'll warm to them more, I'll still give them that chance, but for now, I have other music I want to discover.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2008 at 20:47
Originally posted by zachfive zachfive wrote:

Jammun said:  "Who said anything about the solo stuff???  The poll was Beatles vs. Rush.  Rush would not exist without the Beatles.  Nor would any other band on this site."


I already gave credit to The Beatles contribution to music, they have influenced some of my favorite musicians and I do agree that a lot of bands on this site owe tribute to them. All I was trying to get across was that the solo careers of some of The Beatles band members has soured me to their music and unlike Rush, are less consistent in producing great material . Perhaps you need to read the post thoroughly  and understand what was really said before commenting, because yes this was is poll about Rush vs. The Beatles, but god forbid I explain why I voted for one over the other...
 
I did read the post, which said:
 
"The Beatles members solo stuff (excluding Lennon) i.e Wings and George Harrison does aboslutley no justice to their earlier work such as Sg.Peppers or Yellow Submarine.So as the opinions are stacked before me I vote for Rush, I'd say they have more consecutively great music and has "sold out" a heck of a lot less.

...shame on Mccartney, you use to play such a melodic bass and not such a boing pianoCry Thumbs Down"
 
So the post implies, or actually states perhaps, that their solo careers have "soured" you to their (Beatles or invididual members, it's not clear) music.
 

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2009 at 21:42
Is it a crime for me to absolutely loathe The Beatles?

I of course choose Rush.
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Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Is it a crime for me to absolutely loathe The Beatles?

I of course choose Rush.


I really don't like the bulk of The Beatles output at all.
So no, it's all good.
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The Beatles of course...


but you know.... I would have loved to hear The Beatles do The Necromancer...  that would have ruled...
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