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aapatsos 
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 17:03 |
This is an example of frustration, an ultimate exploitation of some people's needs to see their favourite artist/band on stage. As soon as tickets become available online, a number of 'smart' people buy 10ths or 100s of similar tickets using probably different credit cards etc. And what do these 'smart' people do afterwards? Of course, sell it (overvalued of course) to fans anxiously trying to find a single ticket to attend a musical event, and make some easy money off that. How ethical is that? Is there a way that this madness can be controlled? Have you had a similar experience in the past? I am talking from personal experience. Why should I pay 80, 90 or even 150 pounds for a ticket that costs 50? Sorry for sharing my thoughts in such a way, but it's getting frustrating...  I appreciate your thoughts on that.
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Jared
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 17:46 |
^^there is only one way around this, I'm afraid...
don't go and see fashionable bands, with large followings...
spend a tenner to support grass roots music...there's a lot of it about in the UK..
and most of the bands I refer to, will visit Rotherham sooner or later....  |
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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aapatsos
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 17:50 |
^ I can see your point there, and I totally support it, I see tribute bands from time to time etc. this does not solve the problem though 
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Jared
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 17:53 |
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^^ you never will in this country, I'm afraid...and although I think ebay is a great facility, it has unwittingly exacerbated the problem to such a degree, that everyone can become a ticket tout from the safety of their own home, without having to suffer the inconvenience of standing outside the venue in the rain, a couple of hours before the gig.
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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debrewguy
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 20:36 |
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A price is fair if you accept to pay it. period. We are not talking about food, water, cover from the weather, or anything necessary to the maintenance of life.
If you want to pay $200 to see group X, then you have agreed that the good/service (in this case the concert) is worth the money. End of arguement. No frustration, just freedom of choice
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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BroSpence
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 23:50 |
I remember a few years back people like Madonna wanted to get in on the "scalper"/bidding market of tickets that was being proposed by concert promoters. Bidding means people will pay more for a ticket. Which means the promoter gets more. So of course the artist wants more. I guess that bidding thing hasn't become a major general thing for all concerts which is good.
The best option I think it to forget about it and save your money for something else. Or check craigslist the day of because people will sell it for list price or cheaper. Of course, I don't think there is a UK craigslist.
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 00:22 |
Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails has been doing something about this on his latest tour. When he presold his tickets, he required that the members of nin.com enter their legal name, which was printed on their personalized tickets. Then there was a special entrance at shows for nin.com members, and when the members who bought presale tickets presented their ID at the entrance, they received a personalized tickets and went immediately into the venue.
In that case, the fan club members were able to get their tickets without fear of ticket resellers grabbing all the presales. Of course, the non club members still didn't have anything to do about it, but I think it's a good idea.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 00:43 |
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Nothing is sacred anymore. The sad thing is that these scalpers are not even into music at all just for the $$$$. I wouldn't feel sorry if I saw any of these assholes get a hospital job done on them. I'ts happened before here in Montreal. Back in the eighties one of them nearly got killed by some heavy metal fans who couldn't get tickets. I think it was a Judas Priest or Iron Maiden show.
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 12:34 |
Obviously people have more brass than sense. Not that I am supporting such behaviour of the sellers but in a market economy.....................................................................
Anyway I had a superb time at the Pendragon/acoustic Magenta concert. No need for clever lighting/general gimmickry. Just great music from great musicians. I certainly felt good on the way home.
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 12:45 |
 limeyrob wrote:
Anyway I had a superb time at the Pendragon/acoustic Magenta concert. No need for clever lighting/general gimmickry. Just great music from great musicians. I certainly felt good on the way home. |
why pay £650 to see Eric Clapton, when you can see the Pendies for £12.50... 
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 13:32 |
Sounds like you had a great time as well J.
Just to say that £70 got me a great concert, a long sleeved t-shirt, 3 CDs (2 Pendies, 1 Magenta), a cherry Coke and 2 strips of raffle tickets. Most of which, I hope, went into supporting our music industry - not some ratbag out to make a quick buck. Ooops, am I ranting again?? |
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 13:47 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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debrewguy
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 19:08 |
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Hate to quote my fave music writer Bob Lefsetz, but for those who know thereof they speak - the most frustrating part is that the high prices received by the acts are in part due to many buying tickets as a lifestyle thing. They text and use their cell phone during the gig, and spend more time about talking about themselves and their friends than actually paying attention to the show. The next day they get to say "Hey I saw X !"
Anyway, boycott those shows you feel are overpriced. The secret in today's concert biz (in North America, anyway) is that many of the "big" acts aren't selling out, and that the numbers are being papered, i.e. exaggerated.
Edited by debrewguy - November 06 2008 at 19:11
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BroSpence
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 23:19 |
debrewguy wrote:
Hate to quote my fave music writer Bob Lefsetz, but for those who know thereof they speak - the most frustrating part is that the high prices received by the acts are in part due to many buying tickets as a lifestyle thing. They text and use their cell phone during the gig, and spend more time about talking about themselves and their friends than actually paying attention to the show. The next day they get to say "Hey I saw X !"
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Those people are the reason I hate going to a lot of concerts. Everyone pays the same amount of money to get into small club dates, and then those assholes go on talking over the band they paid to see about nothing important, then going to get more beer so they can become more obnoxiously loud. The worst times I've experienced that was 1. Mogwai, who are a dynamic group loud/soft parts that are important. When they were quiet I couldn't hear a thing because the dicks next to me were making Scott Stapp jokes for some unknown reason. 2. Billy Corgan. He had two opening bands. one was awesome (Doris Henson), the other sucked (don't remember their name). Anyways the good band was grateful to be opening for Billy, where as the lame band that sucked just played poorly and left. Then they decided to come to the back of the venue where I was standing with my friend. The formed a circle with some idiot from the audience which pushed me and my friend all the way to the side, and then they started having a conversation OVER Billy Corgan during his set. Which seems pointless considering the music is loud, and he is the one that asked them to open for him.
Some people are justing effing stupid.
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