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Posted: November 06 2008 at 21:29

NaturalScience wrote:

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If you'll excuse my trollness... what's RIO?

Compared to the Canterbury scene, that is.

A brief history.

Okay then, thanks. I hadn't not picked up on that section yet. I'd already heard a few tracks from 5 or 6 bands mentionned, but hadn't figured out that they were in any way "related". So if I get this right, it's more of a "political" organisation of avant-garde bands than anything while the Canterbury scene is mainly geographically based? Unless the Canterbury bands had some "treaty" too that I haven't read about so far?

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Posted: November 06 2008 at 20:05

June wrote:

If you'll excuse my trollness... what's RIO?

Compared to the Canterbury scene, that is.

A brief history.

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Posted: November 06 2008 at 19:59

If you'll excuse my trollness... what's RIO?

Compared to the Canterbury scene, that is.

Edited by June - November 06 2008 at 20:00

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Posted: November 06 2008 at 19:31

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So I finally got around to looking up Soft Machine on Youtube...and why didn't anyone tell me Moon in June and To Nick Everyone were so good? I always thought of Canterbury as the soft, twee/jokey version of RIO. Was I wrong?

To Nick Everyone is from Wyatt's debut album The End of an Ear.

This album, in my opinion, isn't Canterbury but avant-prog. It's like the precursor to RIO. Another album is Hugh Hopper's 1983.

Matching Mole are also more avant-aligned than Canterbury.

Yeah, I knew that, I was just being lazy. Yeah, it did sound a lot more RIO, but I apparently do not have a clear vision of Canterbury since so I don't know.

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Posted: November 06 2008 at 14:38

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Posted: November 05 2008 at 21:29

June wrote:

Motherload number 2!

Still very, very impressed by the trollfreeness of your forum.

well...troll minimization, at any rate, is what we strive for. Wink

I only managed to get through about half of this thread, but I've got a couple of hundreds bucks worth of album titles written down. Thanks guys! (or not... not sure

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Please purchase much Canterbury and discuss it here. Tongue

(and then check out the RIO/Avant Centre)

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Posted: November 05 2008 at 20:50

Motherload number 2!

Still very, very impressed by the trollfreeness of your forum.

I only managed to get through about half of this thread, but I've got a couple of hundreds bucks worth of album titles written down. Thanks guys! (or not... not sure

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Posted: November 03 2008 at 16:24

NaturalScience wrote:

Yes.

Well, I'll be honest, and I don't mean to insult their fans, but I can see how a group like Caravan might give off that impression - they are the most light and "playful" of the Canterbury groups (though I still enjoy them thoroughly). But there is absolutely nothing twee about Soft Machine's Third or National Health. Hatfield is playful as well but the musicianship is top rate.

If I had to recommend some albums based on where you're coming from (the RIO/Avant vector)...

Soft Machine - Third
Egg - The Polite Force
National Health - Of Queues and Cures

and my non-English "Canterbury" favorite

Picchio dal Pozzo - Abbiamo Tutti I Suoi Problemi

which is admittedly more RIO than Canterbury in my opinion. Big smile

There's nothing wrong with light and playful, mind you, but I got that from Caravan and the sample songs for other famous ones, which I guess were not representative. Thanks, I'll check those out.

Raff wrote:

Canterbury a softer version of RIO Confused

? Now I've really heard it all Unhappy

...

Well I'm speaking in very broad terms here. They are both often interested in at least slightly avant-garde jazz fusion, although RIO has many exceptions, and I'm sure Canterbury does too.

Edited by Henry Plainview - November 03 2008 at 16:28

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Posted: November 03 2008 at 10:04

Yes.

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Posted: November 03 2008 at 07:58

You shuld try out bands like Egg & National health, and yes you where very wrong.

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Posted: November 03 2008 at 03:44

Canterbury a softer version of RIO Confused

? Now I've really heard it all Unhappy

...

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Posted: November 03 2008 at 03:00

^Canterbury was never a "version" of RIO :squint:

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Posted: November 03 2008 at 00:21

So I finally got around to looking up Soft Machine on Youtube...and why didn't anyone tell me Moon in June and To Nick Everyone were so good? I always thought of Canterbury as the soft, twee/jokey version of RIO. Was I wrong?

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Posted: September 30 2008 at 22:06

song_of_copper wrote:

Hello all. This is mostly for Patrick's benefit, but still... yes. Hello all.

Just swinging by to say that I acquired National Health's 'Of Queues and Cures' the other day - just had a first listen on the way to work and...

...I LOVE it!

It goes so well with a crisp English Autumn morning...

I will echo the others in that I wouldn't be in too much of a hurry to acquire other NH recordings, unless you become an obsessive like myself. Embarrassed

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Posted: September 30 2008 at 22:04

James wrote:

Melissa,

I am a National Health listener as well, you know. Wink

No, you're a complete n00b because you actually think Banton is better than Stewart. Wink

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Posted: September 29 2008 at 05:06

yes Of Queues is one of the greatest ever ..the third one is good, it just doesn't quite have the soul of the first two and is more of an Alan Gowen homage ..the one I'm not too keen on is Playtime

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Posted: September 29 2008 at 04:59

Melissa,

I am a National Health listener as well, you know. Wink

Their third album isn't quite of interest though.

By the way, the new Henry Cow Vol. 6 Stockholm & Goteborg album is great!

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Posted: September 29 2008 at 04:14

Hello all. This is mostly for Patrick's benefit, but still... yes. Hello all.

Just swinging by to say that I acquired National Health's 'Of Queues and Cures' the other day - just had a first listen on the way to work and...

...I LOVE it!

It goes so well with a crisp English Autumn morning...

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Posted: September 26 2008 at 12:48

Of some relevance, I would like to praise the recently issued and ridiculously cheap Spirit of Joy 3cd boxset compilation:

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Some early Caravan can be found as well as the A side of Soft Machine's first single. But at last I can understand why people want to lump Supersister as a Canterbury band - the two later albums I have of their's and for some time, don't - although the second song sampled on Spirit from the band ain't Canterbury to my ear. I note Jazzwise review all the Supersister CD reissues this month's edition (out through Eclectic Records) and the reviewer is at pains to mention the Mike Ratledge influence.

IMHO Spirit of Joy has a good balance music with a little emphasis on the jazz-oriented, so McLaughlin Jack Bruce, Lifetime, etc. amongst early Van Der Graaf, psyschedelia etc. and few familiar suspects.

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Posted: September 25 2008 at 14:26

Dean wrote:

Dick Heath wrote:

I have a slight feeling the name The Rotter's Club was lifted by H&TN, but having trouble trying to place exactly where. P.G.Wodehouse? The Billy Bunter /Greyfriars stories - Bunter always called his antagonists 'Rotters'? Those Jonas & Co upper middle class (often anti-semetic) detective stories of the 30's?

Gaah!! I know this!! Can't bl

dy remember

.... I'm sure it's on the sleeve notes of one the re-issued seedies - I can't tell until I get home this evening.

Sorry - I was wrong - I know I read it somewhere quite recently. There was a 1968 episode of the Avengers called The Rotters, but I don't think that's it...

Incidentally, can anyone remember the Melody Maker/NME/Sounds adverts for Rotters Club from 75? - I remember reading it out loud at a girlfriends house and getting a swift kick in the shins as the language got to rude for her parents

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