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Points: 79 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2008 at 10:44
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

i only said that RUSH is not really a prog band because : if you compare the probably best album of the band "moving pictures" or "farewell to kings" to the probably best album of yes "close to the edge" or fragile", CTTE is so far a best album in comparison.
 
Rush are a prog band, but I agree that they are not a prog band in the same vein as the pioneers of Prog.  Yes, Genesis and ELP are in Symphonic Prog.  King Crimson, Gentle Giant, and Vander Graaf Generator are in Eclectic Prog.  Jethro Tull is in Prog Folk, but could also be in Heavy Prog.  Pink Floyd is in Psychedelic/Space, but could possibly also be Symphonic.  Rush is in heavy prog.  So yes, Rush is a different branch of prog than the other classic bands of prog.  Rush took prog rock in a different direction by combining it with the hard rock/heavy metal sound of bands like Led Zeppelin, Uriah Heep, and Deep Purple. 
 
To possibly expand upon your previous comment, it could be argued that Rush took the progressive rock sounds from England and Americanized them. (or Canadianized them as the case may be).  I'll leave any further explanation up to others far more knowledgeable in musical history or theory than me. 
 
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and then... IS UK THE FATHER OF PROGRESSIVE ROCK? the response is YES
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Points: 66264 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2008 at 11:03
To the best of my knowledge, the first progressive rock bands were from England.  That doesn't necessarily make them the best bands, however.  I'd say that all of the previously mentioned bands are great, and are favorites of mine.  I don't know the history of Krautrock, Zeuhl, or Italian Symphonic rock.  I believe that all of these bands came a little later than the original England prog bands.  Personally, I am not really familiar with artists from these areas, but I'd guess that their fans might argue that their bands are better bands than the England bands.  Again, that is merely subjective opinion.  As far as modern prog goes, there is probably a really good argument that Sweden holds the torch these days.  There are hundreds of really good bands coming out of Sweden these days.   
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Points: 16111 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2008 at 11:23
Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

i only said that RUSH is not really a prog band because : if you compare the probably best album of the band "moving pictures" or "farewell to kings" to the probably best album of yes "close to the edge" or fragile", CTTE is so far a best album in comparison.
 
Rush are a prog band, but I agree that they are not a prog band in the same vein as the pioneers of Prog.  Yes, Genesis and ELP are in Symphonic Prog.  King Crimson, Gentle Giant, and Vander Graaf Generator are in Eclectic Prog.  Jethro Tull is in Prog Folk, but could also be in Heavy Prog.  Pink Floyd is in Psychedelic/Space, but could possibly also be Symphonic.  Rush is in heavy prog.  So yes, Rush is a different branch of prog than the other classic bands of prog.  Rush took prog rock in a different direction by combining it with the hard rock/heavy metal sound of bands like Led Zeppelin, Uriah Heep, and Deep Purple. 
 
To possibly expand upon your previous comment, it could be argued that Rush took the progressive rock sounds from England and Americanized them. (or Canadianized them as the case may be).  I'll leave any further explanation up to others far more knowledgeable in musical history or theory than me. 
 
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are we done yet
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Rush may stretch themelves less than a lot of other prog acts, but they are very good at what they do.
 
They are not overvalued.
 
(unlike Pink Floyd)
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Points: 2779 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2008 at 13:27
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

Rush may stretch themelves less than a lot of other prog acts, but they are very good at what they do.
 
They are not overvalued.
 
(unlike Pink Floyd)


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are we done yet
 
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Points: 13244 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2008 at 18:16
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

^*Waits and watches as this thread derails into an argument about what selling out actually is*




want a definition....  hmm... a picture says a thousand words...




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Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

i only said that RUSH is not really a prog band because : if you compare the probably best album of the band "moving pictures" or "farewell to kings" to the probably best album of yes "close to the edge" or fragile", CTTE is so far a best album in comparison.


Hmmm. Rush is not prog, because other prog bands made better albums. Oh boy... Let's just assume that the definition of 'best' means 'matches the definition of prog in the most complete manner'. That means just about all bands on PA are non prog bands, because only one of them recorded CTTE. Ouch
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Points: 13244 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2008 at 18:24
Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

 
Okay the Spice Girls weren't the UK's finest musical hour but they never plumbed these depths, Mr Netherlands person http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qGe_qhy8NXU WinkLOL


Hmmm. They were cast out of the country for that and live in a dark, plumbingless hole in the middle of the Nevada Desert now. The fact that you even took the time to look them up probably says all about you - a cactus from that same desert? Wink



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Actually, despite what I've said earlier, I have to say that they are definetely a prog band, just not as prog as "real" prog bands are.
 
I mean, how can you deny the progressiveness of "Xanadu", "2112", and "Hemispheres". Of course, sometimes it seems that they changed from being a prog band into a hard rock band that uses 5/4 or 7/4. Other occasions, they pushed limits. I guess they're a bit hit and miss, like lots of prog bands.

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I'm a huge Rush fan and Rush are definitely not 'prog' in the colloquial sense.

As many may know, they started out as a blues-based heavy rock band.

However -they've always been influenced by music trends (Cream, Zeppelin in the 60's, Yes, Genesis in the 70's, The Police, 'New Wave' in the 80's...etc) but have never been defined (or constrained) by said influences.

For me, that's what has kept them unique (and kept me listening...through good and bad) for the last 26-odd years.
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Points: 16111 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2008 at 23:04
Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

Actually, despite what I've said earlier, I have to say that they are definetely a prog band, just not as prog as "real" prog bands are.
 
I mean, how can you deny the progressiveness of "Xanadu", "2112", and "Hemispheres". Of course, sometimes it seems that they changed from being a prog band into a hard rock band that uses 5/4 or 7/4. Other occasions, they pushed limits. I guess they're a bit hit and miss, like lots of prog bands.


and what exactly is a REAL prog band? Smile
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Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

Actually, despite what I've said earlier, I have to say that they are definetely a prog band, just not as prog as "real" prog bands are.
 
I mean, how can you deny the progressiveness of "Xanadu", "2112", and "Hemispheres". Of course, sometimes it seems that they changed from being a prog band into a hard rock band that uses 5/4 or 7/4. Other occasions, they pushed limits. I guess they're a bit hit and miss, like lots of prog bands.


and what exactly is a REAL prog band? Smile

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Originally posted by GhostWorks GhostWorks wrote:

Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

Actually, despite what I've said earlier, I have to say that they are definetely a prog band, just not as prog as "real" prog bands are.
 
I mean, how can you deny the progressiveness of "Xanadu", "2112", and "Hemispheres". Of course, sometimes it seems that they changed from being a prog band into a hard rock band that uses 5/4 or 7/4. Other occasions, they pushed limits. I guess they're a bit hit and miss, like lots of prog bands.


and what exactly is a REAL prog band? Smile

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LOL

I just find it funny sometimes when people say "real" prog band. We all know that they're referring to the giants that shaped the phrase (Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull), but when bands clone those bands they're called retro and when they don't appeal to the template their integrity is questioned.

Rush is a collage of progressive "elements" - abnormal time signatures, winding instrumentals, symphonic epics and a general tenancy to change with each album. Things that all the prog giants did.

I think that a "real" prog band no longer exists - since the genre has no hard and fast definition. Bands are either progressive in nature or they're not, and Rush were certainly just as progressive as, say, Genesis in their help in creating the heavy prog genre.
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Points: 6419 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2008 at 06:13
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

are we done yet
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What's all the fuss about?  I have to say that Rush were rarely mentioned in my circle of friends in the 70's and early 80's and none of them had any of their albums. Of the 6 or so albums in my collection I had to relegate them to my secondary storage system to make way for albums I preferred more. I won't say whether they are over-rated or not, because that is down to individual's taste, but they are just not my cup of tea.
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Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

i think their albums are very very seemed... their structures are always very seemed too, sound slightly elaborated

if yo listen pink floyd, yes, genesis or king crimson they dont have any albums seemed


I salute you my friend - this band hasn't any imagination in their music. Only the same and the same!
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Originally posted by poslednijat_colobar poslednijat_colobar wrote:



I salute you my friend - some people haven't any imagination in their posts. Only the same and the same!


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