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E-Dub 
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 Posted: August 31 2008 at 10:51 |
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No need for the PM, Micky. I'm on firm footing and know where this band belongs on PA. Too bad it's not in the General Music Discussion, but that's not my choice, nor the choice of the majority.
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micky
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 22:08 |
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the band themselves would scoff as being labelled progressive rock... or anything for that matter. They were quite unique. It is often said. .and is very true.. there really isn't another band out there that sounds like them . My gut instinct tells me.... that once you remove labels... that the prog fan would love them and over time.. see exactly what we said. The differences between them and established prog acts.. are acutally rather small. . Look at all the fans they do have here, and how respected they are among prog fans. Ever stop to wonder just why they are? There is reason. Is it tradional prog.. of course not.. but is it prog... who knows.. some think so... some don't. They fit... because this site has not limited itself to those who are only 'known' as prog. Those that think that the site should be... will disagree no matter who much they like the group.. those who have a more open ended view of things. That prog rock was not a genre.. but a a movement... welcome SD. tomorrow... Countdown to Ecstasy gets the Micky treatment... will be hard to top Rollie's review though. and again.. thanks guys for keeping the thead on topic ... for the most part that is... if you disagree with the addtion.. PM me. I will try to expain to you in cold hard terms why they were added.. you might not still agree.. but if you have any sort of open mind.. you'll understand the logic behind it. |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Phil
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Joined: June 17 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1881 |
Posted: August 30 2008 at 19:09 |
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Blimey; SD in PA. Flippin eck.
I am a HUGE Steely Dan fan; all the albums - group and solo - concerts - T shirts - blah blah - but I really struggle with the idea of their inclusion in PA. Not because their music isn't progressive in the dictionary sense of the word; certainly not because they aren't musically one of the most sophisticated bands around; just that my gut instinct tells me it's not right. And I'd venture most music critics and the band themselves would not apply the label.
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 18:37 |
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^ great one indeed
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micky
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 17:46 |
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posted my first SD review.. and see this gem.. Great one Chris...
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micky
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 15:19 |
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 thanks guys.. great story Scott.. will tell my first SD experience in my review of the album.
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E-Dub
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 14:53 |
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It's got a pretty strange cover, but don't let it fool you.
A different version of "Reelin' In The Years" is on it, too. The only downer is Walter Becker's "Book Of Liars". Alright tune, but not a fan of his voice. E |
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rushfan4
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 14:35 |
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Thanks E. I'll definitely keep my eyes open for it. |
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E-Dub
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 14:31 |
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An underappreciated live album is Steely Dan's Alive In America. Excellent set list and a band that features both Peter Erskine and Dennis Chambers on drums. I always seem to see it in the reduced bins and wonder why. It's a wonderful album. Pick it up, if you have the opportunity.
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rushfan4
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 14:23 |
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Alright, not so much appreciation, but a silly story. OK it is probably a "you had to be there" silly story but anyways here it goes.
I am also a Tom Petty fan. And for those of you who read my posts and think that this guy thinks that everything is prog, that is not true. Tom Petty is not prog. Although he is in my collection and everything in my collection is prog so....
 But I digress. Anyhow, my friend and I went to see Tom Petty in concert, but she wasn't that familiar with him. So every time a Tom Petty song would come on the radio I would ask her who the singer was. She would say I don't know and of course I would respond Tom Petty. (We play this game with Rush too, but that is another story). Anyhow, the Steely Dan song "Do It Again" was playing on the radio. At the time, I didn't know who that was so I asked her who it was. Of course, she responded Tom Petty? Alright, that was the funny part that you had to be there for so if you were waiting to laugh now is your time. Anyhow, as is always the case, once the song was completed the DJ didn't say who the artist was. I was pretty sure that it was on an album that I had but I really couldn't figure it out. When I got home that night, I pulled out a bunch of CDs and played various songs that I thought it might be, but I couldn't figure it out. I tried googling it as well, but without much luck. Needless to say it was a rough night of sleep because I couldn't get that song out of my head and I couldn't figure out who the artist was. I'm anal that way. Anyhow, the next day I did figure out that it was Steely Dan. I asked a friend at work whose husband happens to be a big Steely Dan fan, and she knew who it was. Anyhow, not too soon after I went out and purchased a Best of Steely Dan CD and that was how I found out that I was a Steely Dan fan. Not rabid mind you, but I do like the couple of albums that I have subsequently purchased. |
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E-Dub
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 14:06 |
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With the absence of the emoticons, I didn't detect any humor. My bad.
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micky
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 13:58 |
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a threat? I don't make threats  A joke.. but humor is lost here.. so I guess I won't bother*example A that people need to cool off*  |
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E-Dub
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 13:57 |
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Is this a threat?
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micky
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 13:52 |
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exactly... I think emotions are too raw here and people need to back off.. and maybe listen.. this is an appreciation thread. I'd hate to report posts guys... the previous poster was not attacking genre teams.. trust me..I am an expert at recognizing it. he spoke to what Scott said here.. general perceptions... now... I am working on my first SD review as a way to get this thread on topic.. can you all help me.. please.... |
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rushfan4
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 13:28 |
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I don't really think that this is what is being said. But I think that what is being referred to is that within the progressive rock community there is a perception, whether right or wrong, that bands from the United States for which the "progressive" label may apply are treated as second class "citizens" of the prog world, with Kansas being the A number 1 example of this perception.
AOR is a mostly US form of rock that is treated as though it is prog's ugly stepsister. Depending on the website and the person judging the band, AOR bands are either Progressive, progressive related, or never played a prog note in their lives. Again, just look at any thread discussing Styx or Kansas.
Now in no way do I think that those on the genre teams make their band acceptance decisions based on these perceptions, but I do think that these perceptions exist throughout the forums and throughout the prog world and I think that is the point that was trying to be made.
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E-Dub
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 13:22 |
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This is an appreciation thread and I'm not going to go any further. What's done is done. I've been listening to this band for a long time and I don't require anyone to tell me that they're progressive. I just don't want to hear any griping by those involved when, say, Sting is added (and "Epilogue (Nothing 'Bout Me)" and "Brand New Day" sound a lot like SD. "Wild, Wild Sea" even sounds a bit proggish...but he still doesn't belong) or Toto, Journey, or other bands who don't belong.
It just floors me that the votes against are stomping the votes for; yet, we're the ones who are wrong. So add away and muddy it up. E |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 13:12 |
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To suggest that a band are more or less likely to be added becuase of their country of origin is disrespectful to our hard working teams, and rather smacks of desperation. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 12:43 |
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Micky, you know me and know that's not the case, I'm probably the person who has defended Kansas and Pavlov's Dog (Not Symphonic and very poppy BTW) more than anybody from pedant's who consider them second class bands because they are made in USA.
Remember a guy even said that Kansas was a Redneck Prog band and compared their music with a pork burger. Garion, E and myself made a long issue about that.
If I say anything about SD is because my opinion about their music, not about their nation of origin, but they are here already, lets move on.
Comments as "They would be here if they were British" seem out of place to me as Bob pointe a couple posts above.
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micky
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 11:52 |
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it was a valid question.. but not in how it was directed.. or answered by you personally Ivan. Of course you don't.. however.. what is the main beef against them here.... it isn't the music.. it is the fact that they are not 'known' as a prog group. Who made that decision.. those who make their living sticking labels and tags on groups.. who tended to hate prog anyway...who saw SD... thought I LOVE it..... American... not symphonic.... therefore.. not prog. This site doesn't do addtions based on what others think.. never have.. never will. He thought... is perfectly dead on.. if they were British .. they would have been here long ago. We all know the power of labels here. anyway.. this was fun... but it's time to get the thread back on topic. There is another thread for discussing the addition .. this is for the band. will request deletion or moving of any more off-topic replies.. there is a thread for it. They are added.. here.. is where people might discover why. Edited by micky - August 30 2008 at 11:55 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 30 2008 at 11:21 |
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I wouldn't care if they came from Perú (where I live), I never judged a band by the country of origin, that would be stupid and mom didn't raised a stupid son.
Iván
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Phil wrote:
Like a sleeping giant. Aja is an album that oozes class. Jazz rock with heavier progressive inflections all
over it make it debateably their most progressive album to date. Adding to their already perfectionist '
behind the scenes' studio indulgences, Aja took a different direction and in many respects followed on
from the ' Royal Scam' track off the same titled previous release. Except Aja has no jagged edges, it is so
smoothe you will probably slip off the couch just listening to it. ' Black Cow' sets the album off onto a
quality note, great chorus work and note the ubiquitous prescence on Timothy B Schmit of Eagles fame
adding vocal work. No bass this time but his voice contributing to the overall vocal sounds. The next song
is ' Aja' and is the finest and most complex song off the album. Great keyboards, strong jazz sounds and
this song needs to be listened to, to be fully appreciated. ' Deacon Blues' another firm favourite, great
melody and distinct sounds. ' Peg' and ' Josie' are more returns to the jazz funky elements but for that
steady slowburn emotion ' Home At Last' and ' I Got The News' revisit the Aja soundscape. As I said Aja is
a sleeping giant, complex, slumbering but oh so smoothe. Seldom visiting my archives of sound does
anything come close to being quite as slick and sophisticated as Aja. Unless you are familar with their
following album Gaucho! A solid four and a half stars.
