Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - The Prog Andaluz Aficionado Thread
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedThe Prog Andaluz Aficionado Thread

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 678910>
Author
Message
NotAProghead View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Errors & Omissions Team

Joined: October 22 2005
Location: Russia
Status: Offline
Points: 7863
Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2008 at 16:56
Excuse me, Erik, quotation is not clear.
Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
Back to Top
Andrea Cortese View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: September 05 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 4411
Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2008 at 16:58
Hi friends,
 
my parents will spend holidays between Valencia and Granada...
 
...I gave them a list of prog andaluz gems...Wink
Back to Top
erik neuteboom View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: July 27 2005
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 7659
Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2008 at 17:57
 
ShockedShockedShocked ... a post by Andrea Cortese? ..............................Wink Andrea, I hope your parents will have time to visit the awesome Alhambra, I remember that once somebody said that one of the saddest things in life is to blind blind while walking in the Alhambra ...
 
My Prog Andaluz list for your parents:
 
Juan Martin - Picasso Portraits
Sabicas - A Rock Encounter With Joe Beck
Triana - first two albums
Mezquita - Recuerdos De Mi Tierra
Medina Azahara - En El-Hakim
Azahara - Azahar
Alameda - CD compilation
Iman - first two albums
 
 


Edited by erik neuteboom - July 31 2008 at 06:50
Back to Top
NotAProghead View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Errors & Omissions Team

Joined: October 22 2005
Location: Russia
Status: Offline
Points: 7863
Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2008 at 17:59
Spend a half of a day to investigations.
 
 
TRIANA%20Triana%20Vol.%202.%20Jesús%20de%20la%20Rosa.%20Canciones%20inéditas%20progressive%20rock%20album%20and%20reviews Symphonic Prog
(Boxset/Compilation, 1998)
2.00/5
(1 ratings)
TRIANA — Triana Vol. 2. Jesús de la Rosa. Canciones inéditas
Review by NotAProghead

— First review of this album —

2%20stars Mysterious CD

Information in the booklet (if one page can be called 'booklet') is minimalistic: last previously unreleased songs sung by Jesús de la Rosa, all written by Jesús de la Rosa, Eduardo Rodrigues Roadway and J.J. Palacios Tele; songs' titles and running times. That’s all.

So before writing this review I had to make some investigations to shed a light to these songs' origins. Listening to this CD I had the idea that probably some de la Rosa work tapes have been found and surviving TRIANA musicians recorded music afterwards. Some Spanish blogs and online translator (study languages, boys and girls) helped to get the picture:

’’These unpublished songs by Jesús de la Rosa have the explanation. Soon after his death a cassette, containing songs without music, has been found among his things. Later Tele and Rodrigues added music to them. All songs come from the previous album, ''Tengo que Marchar'' (''I Must Go'') published by Tele and Eduardo Rodrigues.’’

What? There is another TRIANA album I was not aware of? How it is possible? It is not only possible, it is so.

’’Here the same old story repeats: necrophilia; attempts to sell everything that could be sold. Interesting posthumous disc ''Tengo que Marchar'' (''I Must Go'') with instruments added to home-made record of Jesús' voice, sung before ''El Patio'' album. ''Tengo que Marchar'' had to be deleted from the market because of copyright problems (some songs were drafts of subsequent ones and the rights belonged to Movieplay, now Fonomusic).’’ (www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/arena/2332/Biografia.htm)

Summing it all up.

1. These records of Jesús de la Rosa voice were made in 1975 or a little earlier.

2. Posthumous TRIANA album ''Tengo que Marchar'' (''I Must Go'') exists. It is even possible to find its cover on the web. Songs of reviewed CD are taken from that album. The complete track list of ''Tengo que Marchar'’ is unknown for me (at least now).

Now to the songs. No organ or flamenco guitar here at all.

Rock de la Calle Feria - nice song with catchy guitar riff, in current arrangements typical for TRIANA's 80s albums. I easily imagine it on any of them.

Pájaro de Alas Blancas with good guitar solo is my favourite track here.

Jueves por la Mañana - my least favourite song with mostly voice and 'honky tonk' piano.

From the Other Side is the only TRIANA record I know sung in English, good bluesy tune with harmonica added to usual instruments.

The rest are so-so, not bad, but nothing extraordinary. Two songs, ''Rock de la Calle Feria'' and ''Ser Felíz'', can be found, in different arrangements and sung by another singer, on Tele's TRIANA album ''Un Jardín Eléctrico'' (1996).

Hard to recommend this album. Almost nothing for the majority and an obvious treasure for fans.

==========================================================================
Here the cover of mythical TRIANA album ''Tengo que Marchar'' (''I Must Go'') can be found http://groups.msn.com/RockAndaluz/trianadiscografa.msnw?Page=1
 


Edited by NotAProghead - July 30 2008 at 19:09
Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
Back to Top
erik neuteboom View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: July 27 2005
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 7659
Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 06:58
 
             Thanks for your interesting post, senor NoUnaCarbezaDeProg Thumbs%20Up
 
I have never heard of this Triana album but it reminds me of this one:
 

 
Contenidos: 
Tamara y Javier Vargas: Tu frialdad.
Alameda: Rumor.
Maíta Vende Cá: Diálogo.
Joaquín Sabina: Desnuda la mañana.
Manolo Tena: Una historia.
Dieguito "El Cigala": Sé de un lugar.
Clara Montes: Sentimiento de amor.
Ketama: En el lago.
Paco Ortega: Hijos del agobio.
Javier Ruibal: Señor Troncoso.
Cristina del Valle, Hevia & Dorantes: Quiero contarte.
Bunbury: Necesito.
Marilia y Chano Domínguez: Recuerdos de una noche.
Lluis Llach: Alba luminosa (luminosa mañana).
El Barrio: Una noche de amor desesperada.
Medina Azahara: Abre la puerta.
Carlos Chaouen y Zaguán: Hasta volver.

Año de edición: 2000


Edited by erik neuteboom - July 31 2008 at 06:59
Back to Top
erik neuteboom View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: July 27 2005
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 7659
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2008 at 08:37
 
                      Although you cannot find the word Prog Andaluz in Sean his elaborate review,
                           this is one of the most captivating and exciting Prog Andaluz albums:
 
 
MEZQUITA%20Recuerdos%20de%20mi%20Tierra%20progressive%20rock%20album%20and%20reviews Prog Folk
(Studio Album, 1979)
4.13/5
(32 ratings)
MEZQUITA — Recuerdos de mi Tierra
Review by Sean Trane (Hugues Chantraine)
Special Collaborator Prog-Folk Specialist

4%20stars Outside the more traditional Basque folk prog groups, the most impressive album coming from the peninsula is certainly Mezquita’s sole 70’s album (just at the close of the decade) and by judging of their picture, these guys were not exactly teenagers. BTW, their second album of 81 is really not quite as good.And it bloody sounds like it, because this is a very well thought-out album, integrating local elements much more wisely and subtly than many Flamenco prog groups ala Triana and hell knows who else. Outside one track, the Spanish influences are very present but never overwhelming or invasive, mostly due to the fact that they take on other aspects of Spanish culture than Flamenco. This Madrid standard prog quartet sees all four members contributing vocally (but lead is handled by the two guitar man) and the group gets some brilliant string help in a few tracks. The apocalyptic artwork hints at the musical and lyrical content of the album, which is, as the title hints, a reflection about our near and mid-future.

Opening on some distant bell knelling, the title track is very representative of the album, turning into a strongly classical tune (that could sound like a galloping Rondo), with obvious Spanish dramatic theme (the acoustic guitar answering the group in the middle part is breathtaking, especially once the electric guitar replaces the acoustic. The track is about an eclipse provoking a huge tidal wave (tsunami). The following track, the shorter Patios, is no less head-twisting as they group enters an infernal march onwards full of tempo changes, theme bending and instrumental virtuoso. “Since we’ve become just the two of us” is more or less the translation of the only overtly Flamenco track, even though the intro was not letting you on.

On the flipside, Ara Buza the castanets have fearing the worst, but son the track digresses into Maur and Moroccan-type of influence. Excellent stuff. El Suicido returns to a Flamenco feel, rather subtly at first, than a little more once the track slows down (the return of the bells) and some delicious guitars (both electric and acoustic) laying on the full dramatics. The album finishes on the best track, an instrumental Obertura In Si Bemol (funny that they chose not to call it Clotura), which is another one of those head-twisting tune with not a single second rest for both the musicians and the listeners.

Clearly one of the Iberic peninsula’s best folk-oriented symphonic prog album (some might have some doubts as to Flamenco being folk music, but indeed it is), Mezquita’s RDMT is one of these gems that have been unearthed a while ago and is not exactly obscure anymore, and the album has seen at least two different CD reissues, showing it is a consistent seller over the last two decades and deservingly so. If you don’t have it yet, you’d bet get a copy before you’re the last proghead in your country to have it. Recommended.

 
                                                                                 Clap
 
 

Back to Top
erik neuteboom View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: July 27 2005
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 7659
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2008 at 06:37

 

TAIFA is the result of getting together such types of music as FLAMENCO, PROGRESSIVE ROCK and ANDALUSÍ MUSIC apparently so diferent, enveloped with rythms and sounds that belong to the electronic music of today.

Now we have the pleasure to present you the new LP "ALHAMBRA"

and the video clip

" Las torres de Babel"

Enjoy yourself !!!

 
                              Info: http://www.reinodetaifa.com/wepeng.htm
 
 
 
                                                                            


Edited by erik neuteboom - August 15 2008 at 06:41
Back to Top
erik neuteboom View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: July 27 2005
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 7659
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2008 at 06:54



.
< =text/>

Mendigo en la "Enciclopedia de la Música Progresiva en España"

Queremos anunciaros que Mendigo tendrá unas páginas en la próxima edición del libro "Enciclopedia de la Música Progresiva en España" escrito por Antonio J. Barroso (Editorial Castellarte). Desde aquí queremos dar las gracias al escritor Antonio Barroso por incluirnos en tan especial y completa recopilación de grupos de nuestra geografía, para nosotros, un grandisimo honor.

Os dejamos un extracto de lo que escribe el autor acerca de Mendigo:

"...Ex Alkazaba, Mendigo, grupo de Mairena del Aljarafe, Sevilla. Fue un sábado por la tarde, una tarde de estas de primavera, en que mi alma se sentía ahogada por problemas que aquí no podría describir, que curioseaba en busca de nuevos grupos por la red para integrar en el libro, cuando de un contacto pasé a otro y de ahí a Mendigo. Al principio me impactó la portada, muy muy muy ad hoc, aunque muy sobria y simple. Comencé a escuchar algunos temas que estaban colgados creo era en MySpace, y de pronto me llamó la atención lo compacto del sonido del grupo, y sus buenos desarrollos instrumentales. Conseguí contactar con ellos, más en concreto con Luis David y comenzó una amistad musical. Mendigo tenía por entonces editadas dos maquetas con buen sonido y mucha clase, pero Luis David me comentó que estaban en estudio grabando lo que sería su primer trabajo, donde colaboraba Pepe Roca del grupo Alameda. Al fin aunque en MySpace he podido oir los temas que están colgados y os paso a describir mis sensaciones: “Qué fácil es” es un tema donde la voz de Luis David tiene un deje muy Jesús de la Rosa, arropes de teclados, guitarras y la voz de Pepe Roca sobre una mística guitarra flamenca, cantándole al amor, con teclados de fondo, la palabra para describirlo es cautivador. “Como un poeta”, comienza con acordes de teclados, es un tema un poco más Standard en sus comienzos, para seguir con gran desarrollo de guitarra eléctrica y un bajo marcando el ritmo muy presente. “Saltaré” es un tema más funky, con buenos desarrollos de teclados bordeando el Jazz rock, en una onda más Santanera y funky, la guitarra eléctrica magistral. La libertad con que expresa Mendigo su música es su principal valedora, que les hace diferenciarse de otros grupos de Rock Andaluz, sin mirar a lo que hicieron en su momento los grandes grupos. Mendigo se dedica a crear un estilo propio mirando más al futuro que al pasado, aunque siempre de vez en cuando puedan echar una mirada atrás, a la música que hizo Alameda, donde podría tener Mendigo su más claro precedente."

Antonio J. Barroso - Enciclopedia de la Música Progresiva en España - Ed. Castellarte.

Back to Top
Andrea Cortese View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: September 05 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 4411
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2008 at 05:14
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

 
ShockedShockedShocked ... a post by Andrea Cortese? ..............................Wink Andrea, I hope your parents will have time to visit the awesome Alhambra, I remember that once somebody said that one of the saddest things in life is to blind blind while walking in the Alhambra ...
 
My Prog Andaluz list for your parents:
 
Juan Martin - Picasso Portraits
Sabicas - A Rock Encounter With Joe Beck
Triana - first two albums
Mezquita - Recuerdos De Mi Tierra
Medina Azahara - En El-Hakim
Azahara - Azahar
Alameda - CD compilation
Iman - first two albums
 
 
 
Hi Erik, yesterday I was in Milan airport where my parents have returned back from their holiday in Valencia and Granada. They visited Alhambra and are very enthusiast for that. They brought back three books on Granada and its wonderful hill plus 7 hundreds of digital pics they made by themselves.
 
 
 
Off the cd list I gave them they found these two items in a local shop in Granada (an old one and a new one):
 
 
 
and
 
 
 
 
 
Do you know the spanish site coveralia.com? You can find album covers from all the bands within almost complete discography and high resolution images!


Edited by Andrea Cortese - August 19 2008 at 15:32
Back to Top
erik neuteboom View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: July 27 2005
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 7659
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2008 at 11:23
Hello Andrea.
 
Good to see you back and I am very glad that your parents liked the Alhambra (3 books and so many pictures Wacko ).
 
I don't know that site but I am afraid that the pictures are protected Approve
 
My latest Prog Andaluz discovery is the new band Taifa, I hope to tell more very soon.
 

TAIFA ‘ALHAMBRA’ (FLAMENCO ROCK)

Out of Spain comes TAIFA, a band which is combining different music genres, such as Flamenco, Andalusian and Progressive Rock. The result is the CD ‘Alhambra’, with it’s Spanish lyrics and various tempo changes a very diverse album, which still can be labeled as a melodic progrockalbum. Comparisons are of course hard (maybe MEDINA AZAHARA is a good one), because TAIFA has such an own sound and that is something worth checking out. The band recorded the CD between Spain and Morocco and you better check it our for yourself at: www.reinodetaifa.com  and e-mail at: [email protected] 

(Points: 8.0 out of 10)



Edited by erik neuteboom - August 18 2008 at 14:37
Back to Top
Andrea Cortese View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: September 05 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 4411
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2008 at 15:45

^^^

 
hmmm, didn't see that the images didn't work... BTW, the albums are:
 
Alameda - s/t (1979)
 
Medina Azahara - Se Abre la Puierta (2007).
Back to Top
erik neuteboom View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: July 27 2005
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 7659
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2008 at 16:43
Andrea, it often happens to me that I have discovered some great pictures for me threads on PA and then I notice the same problem as you Ouch ...
 
Alameda their first album is a classic and Medina Azahara their Triana/Prog Andaluz tribute album Se Abre La Puerta is a very good effort Thumbs%20Up
 
By the way, the Paco De Lucia Sextet their very adventurous and progressive blend of flamenco, jazz and folk on PA wouldn't be a bad move Approve !
Back to Top
Andrea Cortese View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: September 05 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 4411
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2008 at 05:08
Excellent review here by Cesar!Clap
 
He also added an interesting video of Alameda.
 
ALAMEDA%20Noche%20Andaluza%20progressive%20rock%20album%20and%20reviews Prog Folk
(Studio Album, 1983)
3.00/5
(1 ratings)
ALAMEDA — Noche Andaluza
Review by Cesar Inca (César Inca Mendoza Loyola)
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator

— First review of this album —

3%20stars Noche Andaluza was the last Alameda album for their first era. This one, although in many ways follows in the lightweight Flamenco-based art-rock fixed on the preceding album Aire Cálido de Abril, it also brings back some of the symphonic colorfulness that had made the best of the band's first two albums (especially, the namesake debut release). The namesake song is actually an old instrumental piece that has been a full classic for generations of Andalusian men and women; here, Alameda gave it a stylish treatment focused on jazz-oriented Flamenco rock and lyrics. The final result is a moving refurbishment of a compellingly beautiful theme. The following two songs highlight the old and new Alameda successively: 'Con Música y Aroma' is a mid tempo Flamenco rumba with a predominant role for the synth solos and orchestrations, as well as some tasteful use of Latin percussions at unison with the drum kit. 'Días de Amor' is a soft rock tune stated on a pasodoble tempo (there are a couple of tracks like this in the Aire Cálido album). 'Por los Espacios del Tiempo' brings back part of the spirit of the jazzier songs from Alameda: perhaps a longer duration would have allowed the track to breathe properly and exploit its groove more convincingly. Anyway, its artistic goal is petnetnly more ambitious than those of the preceding two songs. The pairing of 'Umbría' and 'Bajo la Sombra y el Sueño' has to be the album's highlight. 'Umbría' is a brief Spanish guitar solo that floats concisely over an orchestral background, serving as a prelude to the magnificent architecture of 'Bajo la Sombra y el Sueño'. This track features the elaboration of dual keyboards, Roca's enchanting singing and a solid rhythmic basis that shows a revealing tightness without showing off. The sad thing regarding the album in general is that the aforeaid paired tracks become more impressive because the following two really aren't: 'Desnudos' is a pop-rock tune with slight jazzy tones, while '¿Qué Queda Después de Amar?' sticks to the pop-rock thing. The melodic motifs are not special, they can even be trivial and somewhat uninspired. The closer is a delightful introspective ballad that partially serves the day, providing a dignified farewell to a a band tha twas a very interesting exponent of the Andalusian wave of prog rock during the late 70s and early 80s. Great Noche Andaluza is not, but it is good enough to become a nice item in any good prog collection.

Report this review (#179982) | Posted Monday, August 18, 2008, 22:11 EST
Review Permalink | Submit a review for this album | Buy this album from PA partners

Back to Top
erik neuteboom View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: July 27 2005
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 7659
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2008 at 06:28
 
          I just wanted to post that Cesar review IN MY THREAD , Andrea  Angry .... but OK, thanks Wink
 
Back to Top
Andrea Cortese View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: September 05 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 4411
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2008 at 14:46
^^^
 
well, Erik, you know... I must confess I couldn't resist!LOL
 
Today I listened to Alameda's debut and have to say the album is very good, very different to what other classic bands did. They play a more relaxed and jazzy flamenco prog with mellow synth's flights and and warm vocals. Very nice and appreciable! Another wonderful purchase!
 
BTW, another interesting review from you today. Didn't know Flairck and the thing now intrigues me.


Edited by Andrea Cortese - August 19 2008 at 14:49
Back to Top
erik neuteboom View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: July 27 2005
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 7659
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2008 at 18:01
Hello Andrea.
 
Alameda is great, since I bought the excellent and very comprehensive 2-CD compilation 1979-1983 I have become a huge fan of their music, you described it very well.
Good to see you have noticed my Flairck review, I have to admit that I was very surprised to see this legendary Dutch progfolk band on PA because last year I had opened a thread in which I started to promote The Stranglers, The Tubes, Journey and Flairck, how cynical that only Flairck has entered PA and not Journey or The Tubes ... Confused 
 
After Flairck I consider the Paco De Lucia Sextet as the next interesting progressive folk formation to enter PA, both bands blended folk and jazz in a very progressive and adventurous way, I have seen this band 3 times and I was blown away by their unique sound, Paco De Lucia was such an innovative musician but not every conservative aficionado appreciated that he scouted the boundaries of flamenco with jazz, classical and ethnic music from Arabia. So I would like to recommend The Paco De Lucia Sextet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96NlHhDhCJA

 
One%20Summer%20Night%20-%20Paco%20De%20Lucia%20Sextet
 
In 1981 Paco De Lucia sets up the sextet: Jorge Pardo on flute, Carles Benavent on bass, Rubem Dantas on percussion, Ramon de Algeciras on guitar and Pepe de Lucia singing. Paco de Lucia Septet gave several concerts in all the world and in 1984 they record a live album called Live One Summer Night.
 
                                                                                 Clap
 
 
 


Edited by erik neuteboom - August 19 2008 at 18:02
Back to Top
erik neuteboom View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: July 27 2005
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 7659
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2008 at 10:20
 
      This weekend I got an e-mail back from new Spanish Prog Andaluz band Taifa, early September
            I will receive their new album entitled Alhambra, I read a lot of positive words about it Thumbs%20Up
Back to Top
aristillus View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie


Joined: December 25 2005
Location: Spain
Status: Offline
Points: 13
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 04 2008 at 18:27
Here this one the link of the web of CAI ( http://www.alegriasdecai.com ), yet not this one in English but I hope that I am prompt. Your have ear his first disc "Más Allá de Nuestras mentes Diminutas?
I think that is record is fantástic rock progressive spanish
Well, also next year the group wants to record a new disc.
Un abrazo and congratulation for you topic about rock andaluz..
Aristillus
Web%20Oficial:%20http://www.alegriasdecai.com
Back to Top
erik neuteboom View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: July 27 2005
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 7659
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 05 2008 at 06:29

Muchas gracias, senor Aristillus Thumbs%20Up I am a huge fan of Cai, I own a 2-CD that contains the second (I also have it on LP) and third album but I will check out their first, thanks for the recommendation and ... thanks for keeping this thread alive, I hope to review very soon the album Alhambra by Taifa.

                                                   Hasta luego, Prog Andaluz aficionados!

 

 

Back to Top
Nightfly View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: August 01 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 3659
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2008 at 05:28
Taifa get the thumbs up from me, powerful stuff! Looking forward to your review Erik. Thumbs%20Up 
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 678910>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.242 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.