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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 08:28
I'm definitely not a de-loused purist, but I think it and Frances are the only ones that work as cohesive albums.  Amputechture was the biggest disappointment for me, as I really only like one song on it.
 
I think Bedlam is much better, and the first 5 songs on it are some of my favorite TMV songs.  Unfortunately, the latter end of the album doesn't hold up, and after "Goliath" I find myself skipping back to track 1.  It wouldve been a much better EP.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 09:48
I like them all.  De-Loused is actually my least favorite because after that point the group (Omar) became better players.  De-Loused sounds a bit too dirty for what they're going for, but its still a great album.  More often than not I'm listening to the latter 3 albums though.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 13:20
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

I'm definitely not a de-loused purist, but I think it and Frances are the only ones that work as cohesive albums.  Amputechture was the biggest disappointment for me, as I really only like one song on it.
 
I think Bedlam is much better, and the first 5 songs on it are some of my favorite TMV songs.  Unfortunately, the latter end of the album doesn't hold up, and after "Goliath" I find myself skipping back to track 1.  It wouldve been a much better EP.
 
I definitely think that it gets a bit shaky after "Goliath," but "Agadez" and the last three tracks make the rest of the album completely worthwhile for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 13:35
I can't understand Amputechture hate. At all. It makes no sense.
I like all of their albums really, but Amputechture is their masterpiece.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 14:49
Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

PF never used so much noise that that you couldn't tell what the actual song is, which is a rampant problem on Francis.

There, fixed!Tongue

I think they've got 3 very good albums and I good album, with Frances suffering from too much aimless noise making it very frustrating to listen to, becaue the music is fantastic, especially Cassandra Gemini. Amputechture is a strong album but I think they reined themsleves in a bit too much on that album, they werent at the edge of chaos that they revel in, something that they moved back to in Bedlam, which is their best album IMO. Yes, its relentless and dense, but it works from start to finish for me.

Personally, I prefer Jon Theodore to Thomas Pridgen on the kit, he was a bit more sympathetic to what the others were doing than TP, though the quality inn the rhythm section hasnt gone down.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 14:57
Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

well... Deloused is their best, clearly.

Frances is pretty neat and a worthy followup.

Amputechture sucks.  It just does.  It's bad.

And Bedlam is a slight return to form, but it's too much noise, too little songwriting.


Other than liking Bedlam a bit more, I'm in complete agreement with your post.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 15:01
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

A little off topic, but my friend burntme their first and last album. I've heard the bedlam enough to know that the music and compositions are really cool, but too action packed, and too much going on in order for me to listen to it even half way through. Is De Loused like this? If o I'll probably listen to it eventually, but I cant say that I'll be able to enjoy it s much as the more chilled out/layed back music I love so much.


Play De- Loused, its intense but there's more space in the music on that album than on TBiG. Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt is on the site, listen to that song first to consider whether you will like it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 15:08
The Mars Volta (read more)
15,706,032 plays scrobbled on Last.fm

lol. such haters. ;P

my Mars Volta comp spans everything after the first album. It includes Asilos Magdalena. it omits Goliath.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 15:28
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

I like the first two albums most but I'm not repelled by noise. I'm repelled by the way the singing has gotten so ridiculous and the composition so self-indulgent that it parodies their early, better work.

I do still try to stay up-to-date on their music because I'm sure they'll do something else I like at some point.


This is me. The vocal effects Cedric lavishes on post Frances albums are just ridiculous, and the compositions on Amputechture are very flimsy. Bedlam was better, but not by too much, as it was overlong and clunky, with awful lyrics, a silly concept, and over-the-top, self-indulgent distortions on real sounds, just for the quirk appeal...

This band used to literally be my favorite band (notice my name...), but that long since changed, thanks to Amputechture. I don't hate them or anything, I just think they have gone overboard.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 15:30
Wow, I thought I was in a minority about Amputechture - when it came out it was getting praised up and down around here.  To be honest, it almost put me off the band for good.  Their latest, at the least, managed to cross the threshold of maintaining my interest.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 16:22
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Wow, I thought I was in a minority about Amputechture - when it came out it was getting praised up and down around here.  To be honest, it almost put me off the band for good.  Their latest, at the least, managed to cross the threshold of maintaining my interest.
 
Well, I'll be honest, when me and my best friend got home from buying the album, we listened to it together, and we were both so unbelievably disappointed. Aside from the second half of Viscera Eyes and Day of the Baphomets, we just didn't get it. The intro was cool, but it means nothing if the rest of the songs aren't good. After several listens it clicked, with the exception of Meccamuptecture and El Ciervo Vulnerado which seemed too repetitve, long and boring. Seeing the songs live really brought them to life (including Meccamputecture) as well. It's definitely my least favorite overall, but I still think it's a fantastic album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 18:37
Wow - tremendous thoughts everybody - fascinating reading.  I think I respect all your views, as TMV are such an intrigue of a band - some love it, some hate it.  But I'm really glad there are some of you out there that like all 4 albums.

I admit Amputechture is a hard listen (and I was disappointed that they didn't include a Hypgnosis sleeve again - anyone know why?  or how to see a copy of the Hypgnosis sleeve they rejected??)

However, the song Meccamputechture remains one of my favourites - awesome sax on it!

But the greatest for me is surely Cassandra Gemini in part 2 when the song really lifts off into an amazing wall of guitar sound and vocals combined - I don't think they'll ever beat that!

Lyrics?  Come on - they're amazing - but who understands them (or does anyone care?)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 18:37
Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

I'm not sure how you can say that about Bedlam, and not the second half of Dowsing Anemone with Copper Tongue.


Because the latter is actually composed music, not terrible producing.
 
Quote Also, their lyrics are great. Even if you don't know what they mean, they contain some of the best one-liners I have ever heard.


No.  Just no.  Just absolutely not.  We cannot be friends now. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 19:01
^Haha. Shoot, I really wanted it to work out, too! I'm just biased. Some of the lyrics seem really silly, it's true. I just don't care that much. I know you place more value on lyrics than I do. I'm sure if I didn't love the music so much, I wouldn't find the lyrics any good (especially when he mispronounces the words).
 
I only think 3-4 of the songs on Bedlam suffer from "too much noise, too little songwriting" and they happen to be my least favorite songs. At least they keep my attention, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 19:13
Try reading the lyrics out of context without gagging.

Part of my problem with the noise isn't just that it's way overdone, it's that it tries to obscure their weaker songwriting (coughcavelettascough), and the result is a bad song made even worse by terrible producing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 19:20
Originally posted by moreitsythanyou moreitsythanyou wrote:

I can't understand Amputechture hate. At all. It makes no sense.
I like all of their albums really, but Amputechture is their masterpiece.


I was waiting for you to say something, as you have in past threads!

Amputechture is awesome. The vocals test the listener's patience more than any other album, for sure, but I think that the music is the best they've done.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 19:24
Interesting thought from Golden Spiral (kind of backed up by Moatilliata) - about the first 5 tracks being the best (I think that these are some of TMV's greatest - esp Goliath - the one song that everyone at least seems to like).

I admit that the album takes a bit of a nose-dive after Goliath, only just beginning to recover in the latter half of Agadez.  Then there are 3 more truly great tracks in Aspekios, Ouroborous and Conjugal Burns.  I'm not sure about Soothsayer - other than the amazing dissonant solo in the middle - this track actually scares me a little.

Maybe the album could be shortened to the 1st 5 tracks with the 3 I mention above would cause people to like it more??

As for King Volta - a bit sad to have that name and not be so keen anymore....  I mean surely you liked the powerfulness in Deloused and Frances.  Don't you think that has returned in TBiG?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 23:51
Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

Try reading the lyrics out of context without gagging.

Part of my problem with the noise isn't just that it's way overdone, it's that it tries to obscure their weaker songwriting (coughcavelettascough), and the result is a bad song made even worse by terrible producing.
 
Haha, maybe I'll try again soon, but right now I'm not taking that chance. I've just consumed a large, delicious meal from Olive Garden, and the slightest gag might make me eject the contents of my stomach. I fear I might spiral back into bulemia!
 
I agree about that other statement, though. "Tourniquet Man" and "Cavalettas" were not ready to be recorded. They had potential, but it seems like instead of working with it to make a good, cohesive piece, they decided to give Tourniquet Man a premature "Asilos Magdalena" treatment by making it get all grotesque at the end (extra grotesque I suppose, that first half arguably is as well) and Cavalettas is just a mess of passages. I think "Askepios" has that problem to a lesser extent, and its strong points are stronger than the aforementioned.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 23:54
Originally posted by PinkPangolin PinkPangolin wrote:



As for King Volta - a bit sad to have that name and not be so keen anymore....  I mean surely you liked the powerfulness in Deloused and Frances.  Don't you think that has returned in TBiG?
 
The power in TBiG is, in general, not the same power as the first to albums. It's a lot more chaotic and dissonant. There are some parts that remind me of those times, but the sound is still quite different.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2008 at 23:59
King Volta, if you want to change your name, just drop (sl)easy livin a PM.
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