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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:22 |
febus wrote:
James wrote:
What annoys me - and escuse me, whilst I rant a bit - is the fact that everyone seems to worship Karl Jenkins' classical career. His classical albums, like Adiemus, seem to always be in the top 10 on Classic FM polls and the like.
People forget his career with Graham Collier, Nucleus and Soft Machine and apparently, so does he, as he never mentioned this side of his career on Desert Island Discs.
I find him a bit annoying now but I love his work with the Canterbury Scene. I don't find his classical works that appealing. Infact, compositionally, he isn't that great, not even with Soft Machine as he used the same riff a lot. 
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Oh i like JENKINS a lot....first he brought some life and energy in the (Soft) Machine .And his best came with BUNDLES and the great SOFTS.....(Banban Caliban....oh mamma mia!!!!  )........a far cry from Fifth 
aH the riff, i know what you mean...very M.Orchestra style.......but i love it!!!!
SOFTS a 5 star album for me |
I love Softs and Bundles but did he have to reuse that riff from his Nucleus days?   I forget which track it is.
Edited by James - June 02 2008 at 22:23
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:21 |
NaturalScience wrote:
James wrote:
I cannot choose one, they're all individual talents and cannot be measured on "greatness" scale.
Phil Howard also played on Rock Bottom, along with Cutler, didn't he? Or am I imagining that?
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Did Chris Cutler play on the record? I know Ivor Cutler did.
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You're right... erm... my memory has failed. Oh wait, it was the wonderful Laurie Allan who was on it. How could I forget him? His drumming is outstanding and mimics Wyatt's style very well. Frith was on it, not Cutler (Chris).
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Padraic
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:18 |
James wrote:
I've been neglecting my National Health boxset... I'll have to grab it one day and play all their albums together.
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I had to put it down due to overplay...it was a bad addiction.
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febus
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:18 |
James wrote:
What annoys me - and escuse me, whilst I rant a bit - is the fact that everyone seems to worship Karl Jenkins' classical career. His classical albums, like Adiemus, seem to always be in the top 10 on Classic FM polls and the like.
People forget his career with Graham Collier, Nucleus and Soft Machine and apparently, so does he, as he never mentioned this side of his career on Desert Island Discs.
I find him a bit annoying now but I love his work with the Canterbury Scene. I don't find his classical works that appealing. Infact, compositionally, he isn't that great, not even with Soft Machine as he used the same riff a lot. 
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Oh i like JENKINS a lot....first he brought some life and energy in the (Soft) Machine .And his best came with BUNDLES and the great SOFTS.....(Banban Caliban....oh mamma mia!!!!  )........a far cry from Fifth 
aH the riff, i know what you mean...very M.Orchestra style.......but i love it!!!!
SOFTS a 5 star album for me
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Padraic
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:17 |
James wrote:
I cannot choose one, they're all individual talents and cannot be measured on "greatness" scale.
Phil Howard also played on Rock Bottom, along with Cutler, didn't he? Or am I imagining that?
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Did Chris Cutler play on the record? I know Ivor Cutler did.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:17 |
I've been neglecting my National Health boxset... I'll have to grab it one day and play all their albums together.
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Padraic
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:15 |
Chameleon wrote:
[It's ok, though. Long Piece No.3 in its entirety today just about blew my mind. |
 That album absolutely rules.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:15 |
I cannot choose one, they're all individual talents and cannot be measured on "greatness" scale.
Phil Howard also played on Rock Bottom, along with Cutler, didn't he? Or am I imagining that?
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Padraic
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:14 |
Chameleon wrote:
NaturalScience wrote:
Clive wasn't bad, but he was just so overpowered by the other stupendous musicians in Egg.
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Translation : Dave Stewart overpowered everyone completely and utterly
It's ok, though. Long Piece No.3 in its entirety today just about blew my mind. |
Trying to give credit to Mont Campbell as well, that guy was such an intelligent and talented musician. He wrote almost all the Egg material.
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Leningrad
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:13 |
NaturalScience wrote:
Clive wasn't bad, but he was just so overpowered by the other stupendous musicians in Egg.
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Translation : Dave Stewart overpowered everyone completely and utterly
It's ok, though. Long Piece No.3 in its entirety today just about blew my mind.
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Padraic
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:13 |
If I had to choose one, it would probably be Pip Pyle. Especially with National Health he was just off the charts.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:11 |
Marshall for me, as I've said already, is just outstanding. He's all over-the-place on most of the albums I've heard him on but that's a good thing. He's not overpowering and he's certainly not in the background. He's an essential part of every band he's played with. Some drummers just seem to get drowned out or just overwhelmed. Marshall doesn't. You can hear him quite clearly.
Excellent stuff.
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Padraic
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:06 |
Chameleon wrote:
I always think of Clive Brooks as Basil Dowling, his Arzachel pseudonym. I can't un-think it. |
Clive wasn't bad, but he was just so overpowered by the other stupendous musicians in Egg.
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Hawkwise
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:05 |
Clive Brooks good drummer i saw him Play with the Mighty Groundhogs
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:05 |
What annoys me - and escuse me, whilst I rant a bit - is the fact that everyone seems to worship Karl Jenkins' classical career. His classical albums, like Adiemus, seem to always be in the top 10 on Classic FM polls and the like. People forget his career with Graham Collier, Nucleus and Soft Machine and apparently, so does he, as he never mentioned this side of his career on Desert Island Discs. I find him a bit annoying now but I love his work with the Canterbury Scene. I don't find his classical works that appealing. Infact, compositionally, he isn't that great, not even with Soft Machine as he used the same riff a lot.
Edited by James - June 02 2008 at 22:06
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:05 |
hey, some musical common ground with laplacido, cheers
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laplace
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:02 |
for originality and tightness - Cutler
for jazzinjhgjxhkjxhg - Cutler ;P
I always thought ze drummer from PdP was warm, crisp and understated. lol three terms perfect for sound engineers and meaningless WRT describing music
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Leningrad
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:00 |
I always think of Clive Brooks as Basil Dowling, his Arzachel pseudonym. I can't un-think it.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 22:00 |
Atavachron wrote:
Eric Peachey
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Yes, I once looked that name up and well... I was a bit disturbed. Be careful, is all I can say. He also performed on Nicholas Greenwood's Cold Cuts, as well as with Khan, of course.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 21:58 |
For solos and jazziness - Marshall For originality and tightness - Pyle
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