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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2008 at 18:37
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Someone on P.A. will want it, I'm sure.

Going back to Arzachel.  It's a good album, but only the last track is fantastic in its psych vain.  The rest are bluesy (or as Laplace says: bloozy).  You'll most likely enjoy it, but it's not as proggy as Egg or Khan.
 
Oddly enough (and I believe I've said this before), I'm more partial to all of the other tracks and 'Metempsychosis' is probably my least favorite on the album. I still like it, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 11:11
Soft Heap is excellent!  Thumbs%20Up

edit:  If you have any lingering doubts about how f**king ridiculously good Elton Dean is, listen to this album.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 15:45
That was a quick purchase, Pat!  I listened to it the other day and it is indeed excellent.  The first track has a slow start, but it certainly gets going later on.

Elton Dean's best performances are on the many different versions of Seven for Lee.  The version of it on The Wrong Object's The Unbelievable Truth is astonishing (and there are/were a few versions of this available for download from The Wrong Object's website -- it's best to check), but the one I like the most is called Seven for Me.

My favourite Elton Dean solo however, is the one on Part IV of Centipede's album.  Many people love this album and many people hate it, so I'm not sure what you'll think of it.  I personally think it's fantastic from start to finish.

Referring back to Soft Heap: the whole band gels brilliantly.  Hugh Hopper is one of the best bassists I've ever heard (especially when in fussbass mode) and Alan Gowen's keyboard parts are completely different to those of Mike Ratledge's.  They're more atmospheric and in less of a solo style.  They breathe life into the compositions.  Apart from Hopper and Dean, there's a lot less of a similarity between Soft Heap and Soft Machine.

In Cahoots is another great band.  Similar in many ways to Soft Heap, but with Phil Miller on guitar.  The Wrong Object also remind me of In Cahoots in places.

Finally, need I say more about Pip Pyle's drumming?

Pat, if you can find them, check out both of the Hopper/Dean/Tippett/Gallivan albums, I think you'll also enjoy them.

One must not forget Bundles and Softs either, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.  As Dick Heath mentioned a few pages back, also see if you can get Floating World Live by Soft Machine, or maybe the two BBC Sessions CDs, especially the second one, which covers the Bundles and Softs era and the passing of Holdsworth and the arrival of Etheridge.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2008 at 07:54
I've been invited down to  meet and talk with Brian Hopper at his home in Sussex , date is not  fixed as yet but most likely sometime before mid August. As a founder member of Wilde Flower, the saxophonist on Machine's Volume 2 album, who then had a full time career as a bio-chemist, Brian is one of Canterbury's main archivists and historians. Since retiring from the scientific world he has recorded a number of Canterbury-flavoured albums, often with brother Hugh and Robert Wyatt, and also with forgotten members of the original Wilde Flowers.
 

Anything anybody would like me to ask Brian?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2008 at 12:04
As I'm still relatively new to this scene, I'm sure that any questions I would have are probably answered somewhere - but I'd sure like to hear some of what you two talked about, if you wouldn't mind posting some of the content here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2008 at 12:35
I will try to take some recording equipment down with me, but I don't intend to make my visit over-formal. Brian and I have been corresponding for a couple of years by e.mail, trying to set up some recordings of Soft Machine tunes with an  American artist. In addtion,  Brian and I worked and trained in the same company in the late 60's, so there is that aspect of comparing notes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 10:34
I've really been enjoying Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom lately, it's yet another album that gets better with every listen.  In particular, the first two tracks are really beautiful.  I may try to get Ruth is Stranger than Richard in the future (my wife put me on a purchasing hiatus for a spell Cry)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2008 at 14:50
Listening to National Health Missing Pieces today, some really good material on there.  Really shows what a great composer Mont Campbell was - I recently resurrected a thread about his solo album that came out in the mid 90s, has anyone happened to hear that effort?

BTW - Chameleon will heretofore be referred to as BaldDylan.  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2008 at 10:39
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I haven't heard Mont Campbell's solo effort, but I was told by a man in a record shop I'd probably like it. That was waaaay back when the only Canterbury I knew was Caravan, though. I think I walked out of the store with a few Yes albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2008 at 10:40
Picchio dal Pozzo = Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2008 at 10:42
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Picchio dal Pozzo = Cool
 
The truth. Clap Did you get their debut?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2008 at 10:57
No, all emusic had was "Abbiamo Tuttii Suoi Problomi" so I grabbed that.  It's terrific, I think it's like an Italian Henry Cow.  I'll have to hunt a little more for the debut.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2008 at 19:00
That's where they started to go more RIO, on their second. Their debut is really laid-back Canterbury, it's fantastic. I may have to listen to that again right now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2008 at 07:22
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

I've really been enjoying Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom lately, it's yet another album that gets better with every listen.  In particular, the first two tracks are really beautiful.  I may try to get Ruth is Stranger than Richard in the future (my wife put me on a purchasing hiatus for a spell Cry)


That's because it's the best album ever made in the history of music. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 10:15
bumped - vive la musique Canterbury!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 10:38
Exactly. Just been started on Canterbury myself
I recently picked up:

Space Shanty - Khan (actually, had this one for a while) [Good blues-based album. It's a bit unfortunate that the vocals are awkward at times and I occasionally feel the material is a bit predictable]
If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You - Caravan [Great music, I remember liking the organ particularly. I didn't enjoy Pye Hastings vocals as much as the next album's ones]
In The Land Of Grey And Pink - Caravan [Heart Disassociation is absolutely wonderful, and the album as a whole is great]
The Rotters' Club - Hatfield And The North [did love it, but need to give it more listens to make a reasonable comment]
Third - Soft Machine [A surprise, definitely. Very enjoyable jazz-psychy chaos all round. Not bad.]
Also got to hear Matching Mole's debut [felt it was a bit light at times, and Robert Wyatt's vocals are too weak to suit the romantic material that well. Still, the jazzier parts were superb, especially Part Of The Dance]

I'm hooked -
Where to go next?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 10:41
Pick up Hatfield's debut.

And then you're ready for what for me has been the pinnacle - National Health.  You can get their three studio releases on a 2 CD set called Complete, although since you're in the UK perhaps you can get the individual releases cheaply - their first two are absolutely essential.

That's enough homework for now.  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2008 at 12:27
Hello again, fellow CanterburiansHug! After a longish hiatus (you all know about my current situation), I've come back to posting on a regular basis - reaching the milestone of 10k posts (though I'll never be able to catch Micky nowUnhappy...). So, what better opportunity to visit this thread once again - especially since these days I'm reading an Italian book on the Canterbury scene, called Swingin' Canterbury. The author is very much biased toward Soft Machine rather than Caravan, but he's very well-informed, his research and sources are impeccable, and he seems to know quite a lot about musical composition. Besides, the discography at the end of the book is invaluable for anyone with an interest in the original Canterbury scene.

As for CD purchases, I recently got Egg's The Polite Force (which I already had, though not in CD format), and am planning to get other stuff. There is a store belonging to the French chain FNAC here in Rome where they have quite a good selection of Canterbury-related records, including something that still has to find a place here on PA - Jakko Jakszyk's The Bruised Romantic Glee Club, which I saw the other day at a very good price. Does anyone know the album? If so, would you recommend it?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2008 at 12:35

I'm really listening to a lot of different genres of prog now, considering I only came to this site listening to a limited amount of prog metal, and some 70s prog. Now I've been listening to a lot of Caravan, just the first band I've listened to from the Cantebury scene, and it's really good.

Does anyone have any suggestions for what I should try next?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2008 at 12:41
If you like Caravan, the logical next step would be Hatfield and the North - the band featuring Caravan founding member, bassist and vocalist extraordinaire Richard SinclairHeart. Anyway, if you want tons of advice on Canterbury bands and anything related to them, you could do much worse than browse through the 13 pages of this thread. You'll get plenty of expert advice on this utterly fascinating, addictive branch of prog!
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