What does Dream Theater need ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiH_yDpyRDU

Hey, I found a good cover song.

either one of 2 things...

1. Get Kevin Moore back and have 2 keyboardists (and a guy (Moore) that can write meaningful music)

or

2. Replace Petrucci with Steve Morse, replace Myung with Tony Levin, give LaBrie the boot and leave Portnoy and Rudess so that you have the original LTE as it was meant to be. and if they HAVE to have a singer, get someone who can play something, so they can do something on stage during the instrumental breaks.

burritounit wrote: Obiously inspiration and they should stop making songs in which you can obiously tell were they get teh ideas(influences) from

ahhh... but at the same time... they are a metal band... the question begs to be asked... aren't they then sort of painted into a sonic corner so to speak.  Maybe our PM experts can jump in...just how  room do they have to explore without being what they simply are not... they've exhibited.. at least to many of us.. no great talent for songwriting... no real influences outside of the standard prog and metal influences..  can't see them incorporating american folk.. world music into their sound.   Maybe simply like any band.. they've  taken what the good lord gave them.. and ran the string as far as it would go... and they'll go as far as their fans will keep on buying the same old same old. 

Someone made the comment about AC/DC doing the same song for 20 years...  they don't mind..it makes their fans happy.  The fans didn't turn their backs and demand them to do a prog album.. or something different.  On the flip side, the fans are happy, but they became  a 'joke' to those who aren't fans.  Is DT heading down that path.. or have they already been on that path

hmmm..  discuss if you feel like it... will be watching to see if anyone runs with this.


Edited by micky - February 10 2008 at 21:34

They need Kreühn Köhrmahn. 

 

micky:
Someone made the comment about AC/DC doing the same song for 20 years...  they don't mind..it makes their fans happy.  The fans didn't turn their backs and demand them to do a prog album.. or something different.  On the flip side, the fans are happy, but they became  a 'joke' to those who aren't fans.  Is DT heading down that path.. or have they already been on that path


Perhaps their giving fans what they want (commercial approach?) or are they really experimenting with different genres and styles to create something new? only they know. perhaps we wil be able to determine that on how they present there next album and what approach they take in it

Edited by burritounit - February 11 2008 at 07:38

Shakespeare wrote: They need Kreühn Köhrmahn.

Just how would that help them?

A BRAAAAAND NEW SKIN

They should break up and quit putting out albums that have the lyrics of Led Zeppelin and the music of the Mahvishnu Orchestra....what they are doing has already been done.  Lucky I did not have to pay for the cds of theirs I own.

Dream Theater needs a cute airborne anime-style mascot called Kuu-chan.

HughesJB4 wrote: micky wrote: burritounit wrote: Obiously inspiration and they should stop making songs in which you can obiously tell were they get teh ideas(influences) from ahhh... but at the same time... they are a metal band... the question begs to be asked... aren't they then sort of painted into a sonic corner so to speak.  Maybe our PM experts can jump in...just how  room do they have to explore without being what they simply are not... they've exhibited.. at least to many of us.. no great talent for songwriting... no real influences outside of the standard prog and metal influences..  can't see them incorporating american folk.. world music into their sound.   Maybe simply like any band.. they've  taken what the good lord gave them.. and ran the string as far as it would go... and they'll go as far as their fans will keep on buying the same old same old.  Someone made the comment about AC/DC doing the same song for 20 years...  they don't mind..it makes their fans happy.  The fans didn't turn their backs and demand them to do a prog album.. or something different.  On the flip side, the fans are happy, but they became  a 'joke' to those who aren't fans.  Is DT heading down that path.. or have they already been on that path hmmm..  discuss if you feel like it... will be watching to see if anyone runs with this.   Prog Metal, just like any other genre, has its boundaries and rules set up. IMHO, DT has not "ran the string as far as it would go" nor "they'll go as far as their fans will keep on buying the same old same old."  But it really is the case, many DT fans are always expecting a certain sound from them. DT can't exactly make half an album of jazz fusion (for example) and call it prog metal, not that I mind fusion, but DT wont get away with it.  Sure Prog Metal has its set rules and boundaries, but at the end of the day, it still leaves enormous room for experimentation, and it's only limited with the artists imagination. But it also a matter if the fans are willing to accept that experimentation and broadening of horizons. IMO, DT surely can't have run out of ideas, nor do I think they ever will. If I ever felt DT had ever done an AC/DC 20 years of doing the same song, I would have given up on them ages ago. They have plenty of ideas, surely,  but it remains to be seen how creatively they can use them . For example, Octavarium  in my eyes, the weakest effort from them (excluding When Dream And Day Unite, which i have not heard enough to comment on but im familar with their other studio albums), not because of a lack of ideas, there were certainly plenty,  just I think too much of the album made me think "What band I have heard this idea from?" or "Those ideas just didn't seem to flow as well as it could have if they came up with a more interesting part".

good post