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    Posted: January 03 2008 at 13:45
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The price of oil touched the $100 mark yesterday and briefly crossed it again today.

Just 9 years ago, in December 1998, it hit its multi-year low of $10.35. In April 2003 after the war began, it was as low as $25.

 

Just curious how people feel about it.

 

(In case you don't care a tiny bit, it will affect the price of CDs you buy too)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 13:59
I'm no economist, but I imagine big increases in the price of oil will touch many areas of our lives we currently take for granted, or dont consider related to oil price.

Surely the price of oil will continue to increase as oil producing regions become ever more unstable, and the demand for oil increases the world over, but most notably in the US, India and China.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 14:05
Probably a common known fact, but I was watching Jeopardy the other day and the question had to do with "Which two countries the US buys the most oil from?"  The answer was Canada and Mexico. 
 
The most annoying thing for me is that the US oil companies continue to rake in record profits every year even though the cost of their supplies keep increasing.  Of course, the current administration sees nothing wrong with this given that their trust funds (which they have no control over) are raking in record funds too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 14:23
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Probably a common known fact, but I was watching Jeopardy the other day and the question had to do with "Which two countries the US buys the most oil from?"  The answer was Canada and Mexico. 
 
The most annoying thing for me is that the US oil companies continue to rake in record profits every year even though the cost of their supplies keep increasing.  Of course, the current administration sees nothing wrong with this given that their trust funds (which they have no control over) are raking in record funds too.
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Not commonly known, but true. Canada and Mexico are the closest (thus the cheapest) suppliers transportation-wise.
 
Why are you annoyed by the oil companies profits? Nobody cared when they were hit by the $10 priice in the late '90s. What annoys me most is my high heating and gas bills (immediate impact), my growing living expenses (perpetual impact) and my children's upcoming college bills (future impact). Believe it or not, it's all connected to the price of oil one way or the other
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 14:28
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I'm no economist, but I imagine big increases in the price of oil will touch many areas of our lives we currently take for granted, or dont consider related to oil price.

Surely the price of oil will continue to increase as oil producing regions become ever more unstable, and the demand for oil increases the world over, but most notably in the US, India and China.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 14:30
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Probably a common known fact, but I was watching Jeopardy the other day and the question had to do with "Which two countries the US buys the most oil from?"  The answer was Canada and Mexico. 
 
The most annoying thing for me is that the US oil companies continue to rake in record profits every year even though the cost of their supplies keep increasing.  Of course, the current administration sees nothing wrong with this given that their trust funds (which they have no control over) are raking in record funds too.
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Not commonly known, but true. Canada and Mexico are the closest (thus the cheapest) suppliers transportation-wise.
 
Why are you annoyed by the oil companies profits? Nobody cared when they were hit by the $10 priice in the late '90s. What annoys me most is my high heating and gas bills (immediate impact), my growing living expenses (perpetual impact) and my children's upcoming college bills (future impact). Believe it or not, it's all connected to the price of oil one way or the other
 
I'm annoyed because the price that we pay both directly and indirectly is related to the profit that the oil company's make.  I don't know the exact numbers but when they were paying $50 a barrel, we were probably paying the equivalent of $75 a barrel (i.e. a $25 profit).  Now that they are paying $100 a barrel we are paying the equivalent of $150 a barrel (i.e. a $50 profit).  Both are 50% mark-ups on their cost, and yet the oil company is doubling their profit, instead of saying, hey we were happy with a $25 a barrel profit and therefore we will only charge our consumers $125 per barrel instead of our 50% mark-up of $150 a barrel.  I just find it annoying that we are paying billions of dollars to supplement a war in the Middle East so that these same oil companies will be able to continue to make these profits for years to come.  Not only are we paying through the nose directly and indirectly for oil, but we are also paying through the nose in current and future taxes or inflation caused by these oil executives greed. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 14:31
What's more disgusting is that that ridiculous price only favors those who don't want western democracy: muslims (via their holy land Saudi Arabia and all other jihad centers) and my dear old friend Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, who, by the way, already has a little puppet governing my country so I "love" him even more.....
 
...Oh! I forgot... a few pro-western-democracy people will benefit from this... all of those who defend democracy while working in Exxon, Chevron, BP, etc....
 
Which in the end also means we're helping the GOP.....
 
.... which means we're helping western democracy!!!
 
Oh the irony! WinkDead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 15:46
I was just watching Chain Reaction last night. It certainly makes you think about cleaner energy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 18:10
I suppose my country will earn even more money now! Not that it matters since they don't spend it on anything useful anyway...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 18:53
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Probably a common known fact, but I was watching Jeopardy the other day and the question had to do with "Which two countries the US buys the most oil from?"  The answer was Canada and Mexico. 
 
The most annoying thing for me is that the US oil companies continue to rake in record profits every year even though the cost of their supplies keep increasing.  Of course, the current administration sees nothing wrong with this given that their trust funds (which they have no control over) are raking in record funds too.
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Not commonly known, but true. Canada and Mexico are the closest (thus the cheapest) suppliers transportation-wise.
 
Why are you annoyed by the oil companies profits? Nobody cared when they were hit by the $10 priice in the late '90s. What annoys me most is my high heating and gas bills (immediate impact), my growing living expenses (perpetual impact) and my children's upcoming college bills (future impact). Believe it or not, it's all connected to the price of oil one way or the other
 
I'm annoyed because the price that we pay both directly and indirectly is related to the profit that the oil company's make.  I don't know the exact numbers but when they were paying $50 a barrel, we were probably paying the equivalent of $75 a barrel (i.e. a $25 profit).  Now that they are paying $100 a barrel we are paying the equivalent of $150 a barrel (i.e. a $50 profit).  Both are 50% mark-ups on their cost, and yet the oil company is doubling their profit, instead of saying, hey we were happy with a $25 a barrel profit and therefore we will only charge our consumers $125 per barrel instead of our 50% mark-up of $150 a barrel.  I just find it annoying that we are paying billions of dollars to supplement a war in the Middle East so that these same oil companies will be able to continue to make these profits for years to come.  Not only are we paying through the nose directly and indirectly for oil, but we are also paying through the nose in current and future taxes or inflation caused by these oil executives greed. 
If it were possible to survive without those mark-ups, (assuming that that's even true, which I doubt--not a shot at you personally, but the internet is extremely unreliable), why wouldn't a company reduce their prices and double their business? If you give me conspiracy crap I'm going to scream. Drilling new oil wells and all of the other things related to it (some oil companies invest heavily in alternative fuels as well, altough that could be a PR move) is expensive. Criticism of the free market aside (damn commies!), it's very, very efficient at making prices lower. If that is actually true/possible to be lower, they wouldn't survive.
 
This sucks, but everyone saw it coming eventually. Peak oil might f**k is in a few years anyway, so this isn't that big of a deal...yet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 19:03
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Probably a common known fact, but I was watching Jeopardy the other day and the question had to do with "Which two countries the US buys the most oil from?"  The answer was Canada and Mexico. 
 
The most annoying thing for me is that the US oil companies continue to rake in record profits every year even though the cost of their supplies keep increasing.  Of course, the current administration sees nothing wrong with this given that their trust funds (which they have no control over) are raking in record funds too.
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Not commonly known, but true. Canada and Mexico are the closest (thus the cheapest) suppliers transportation-wise.
 
Why are you annoyed by the oil companies profits? Nobody cared when they were hit by the $10 priice in the late '90s. What annoys me most is my high heating and gas bills (immediate impact), my growing living expenses (perpetual impact) and my children's upcoming college bills (future impact). Believe it or not, it's all connected to the price of oil one way or the other
 
I'm annoyed because the price that we pay both directly and indirectly is related to the profit that the oil company's make.  I don't know the exact numbers but when they were paying $50 a barrel, we were probably paying the equivalent of $75 a barrel (i.e. a $25 profit).  Now that they are paying $100 a barrel we are paying the equivalent of $150 a barrel (i.e. a $50 profit).  Both are 50% mark-ups on their cost, and yet the oil company is doubling their profit, instead of saying, hey we were happy with a $25 a barrel profit and therefore we will only charge our consumers $125 per barrel instead of our 50% mark-up of $150 a barrel.  I just find it annoying that we are paying billions of dollars to supplement a war in the Middle East so that these same oil companies will be able to continue to make these profits for years to come.  Not only are we paying through the nose directly and indirectly for oil, but we are also paying through the nose in current and future taxes or inflation caused by these oil executives greed. 
_popupControl(); It's a common misperception to blame the oil compaies for the high price. Not trying to defend them as they are certainly opportunistic and may occasionally engage in price fixing, but the market dictates the price more than oil executives would like it. THey may derive their profits from currency exchange, hedging, labor costs, you name it. Of course, they use the situation to their advantage with a markup, maybe not as dramatic as you describe, but even adding a few pennies to a $1 price move would fetch millions of dollars in extra revenues. Still the culprit is the government with their lack of fiscal discipline and responsibility. The plumetting value of the dollar added some $35-$40 to the price
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 19:11
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

What's more disgusting is that that ridiculous price only favors those who don't want western democracy: muslims (via their holy land Saudi Arabia and all other jihad centers) and my dear old friend Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, who, by the way, already has a little puppet governing my country so I "love" him even more.....
 
...Oh! I forgot... a few pro-western-democracy people will benefit from this... all of those who defend democracy while working in Exxon, Chevron, BP, etc....
 
Which in the end also means we're helping the GOP.....
 
.... which means we're helping western democracy!!!
 
Oh the irony! WinkDead
_popupControl(); Chavez and Co will enjoy the ride for a while, but eventually inflation will level all prices, and his advantage will disappear. Before the 1973 oil embargo a barrel of oil cost some $3, then it shot to $10, both laughable numbers by today's standards; but when oil hit $10 in '98, Venezuela was facing bankrupcy and Russia declared moratorium on its debt as the cost of production was already around $8 (at least in Venezuela).
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Originally posted by magnus magnus wrote:

I suppose my country will earn even more money now! Not that it matters since they don't spend it on anything useful anyway...
_popupControl(); I was in Norway nearly 2 years ago and the price of gasoline was over $8 per gallon. How do you people survive there?
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Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

If it were possible to survive without those mark-ups, (assuming that that's even true, which I doubt--not a shot at you personally, but the internet is extremely unreliable), why wouldn't a company reduce their prices and double their business?

How would they gain or lose any significant business? More than just cars run on oil. Regardless of price everyone will use them until someone manages to both introduce alternative energy AND get it in the market (which will be difficult what with all the oil lobbyists out there). These businesses can double their price and people will still pay because they have to. It's not like Exxon makes iPods.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 19:33
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by magnus magnus wrote:

I suppose my country will earn even more money now! Not that it matters since they don't spend it on anything useful anyway...
_popupControl(); I was in Norway nearly 2 years ago and the price of gasoline was over $8 per gallon. How do you people survive there?



Well, average salary around here is more than $60000/year, I think, so eventhough we have extremely high prices, most of us Norwegians have more than enough money to live a ver comfortable life. The gasoline is now more than $8,5 per gallon(or more than 12 NOK per liter), I think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 19:36
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Probably a common known fact, but I was watching Jeopardy the other day and the question had to do with "Which two countries the US buys the most oil from?"  The answer was Canada and Mexico. 
 
The most annoying thing for me is that the US oil companies continue to rake in record profits every year even though the cost of their supplies keep increasing.  Of course, the current administration sees nothing wrong with this given that their trust funds (which they have no control over) are raking in record funds too.
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Not commonly known, but true. Canada and Mexico are the closest (thus the cheapest) suppliers transportation-wise.
 
Why are you annoyed by the oil companies profits? Nobody cared when they were hit by the $10 priice in the late '90s. What annoys me most is my high heating and gas bills (immediate impact), my growing living expenses (perpetual impact) and my children's upcoming college bills (future impact). Believe it or not, it's all connected to the price of oil one way or the other
 
I'm annoyed because the price that we pay both directly and indirectly is related to the profit that the oil company's make.  I don't know the exact numbers but when they were paying $50 a barrel, we were probably paying the equivalent of $75 a barrel (i.e. a $25 profit).  Now that they are paying $100 a barrel we are paying the equivalent of $150 a barrel (i.e. a $50 profit).  Both are 50% mark-ups on their cost, and yet the oil company is doubling their profit, instead of saying, hey we were happy with a $25 a barrel profit and therefore we will only charge our consumers $125 per barrel instead of our 50% mark-up of $150 a barrel.  I just find it annoying that we are paying billions of dollars to supplement a war in the Middle East so that these same oil companies will be able to continue to make these profits for years to come.  Not only are we paying through the nose directly and indirectly for oil, but we are also paying through the nose in current and future taxes or inflation caused by these oil executives greed. 
If it were possible to survive without those mark-ups, (assuming that that's even true, which I doubt--not a shot at you personally, but the internet is extremely unreliable), why wouldn't a company reduce their prices and double their business? If you give me conspiracy crap I'm going to scream. Drilling new oil wells and all of the other things related to it (some oil companies invest heavily in alternative fuels as well, altough that could be a PR move) is expensive. Criticism of the free market aside (damn commies!), it's very, very efficient at making prices lower. If that is actually true/possible to be lower, they wouldn't survive.
 
This sucks, but everyone saw it coming eventually. Peak oil might f**k is in a few years anyway, so this isn't that big of a deal...yet.
_popupControl(); Funny, you posted it while I was typing my post... as a confirmation of your words, we normally had a 50-60 cent markup on gas in New Jersey, but lately I noticed it shrank to 35-40 cents. And I think we have a fixed 17 cent tax on fuel which is included in the spread. So the market really regulates it better than anyone else does. I can't figure it out how they are able to make up the difference, but they definitely don't lose money here (maybe hedging?)
 
Peak oil may be a distant problem. I did some research on it a few years ago and came across an article about the Russians drilling for oil above the arctic circle back in the '70s. They were forced to drill 40,000 feet wells (if I'm not mistaken) and were able to pump oil there. Aside from high initial costs and cold weather, production was normal. So it's possible that we still have huge oil reserves, theu're just too deep down there.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 19:41
Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

If it were possible to survive without those mark-ups, (assuming that that's even true, which I doubt--not a shot at you personally, but the internet is extremely unreliable), why wouldn't a company reduce their prices and double their business?

How would they gain or lose any significant business? More than just cars run on oil. Regardless of price everyone will use them until someone manages to both introduce alternative energy AND get it in the market (which will be difficult what with all the oil lobbyists out there). These businesses can double their price and people will still pay because they have to. It's not like Exxon makes iPods.
_popupControl(); Not so. If the price is too high, people will do less driving, more car-pooling, etc. They may lose a lot of business on lower consumption. Why do you think the price went down to $10 in '98?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 19:55
If higher oil price means my Exxon shares will increase in value, I'm happy. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 20:36
Originally posted by Phil�as Phil�as wrote:

If higher oil price means my Exxon shares will increase in value, I'm happy. 

Ah, that's the good 'ole capitalist spirit.LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 22:48
Well that's the problem, IVNORD, not that there's no oil, that it will become extremely expensive to produce because we have to drill down so deep. And the economy would die with $300 oil.
 
It is true that oil often is much less affected by price increases and instead other things are affected, but if your gas was cheaper, people would switch to your brand and stop using Exxon.
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