Mudvayne in the Arhives?

Okay, I am probably going to get untold amounts of crap for suggesting this, but I think Mudvayne deserves a spot in the tech metal/extreme metal category, or at least prog related. These guys are more than just another metal band in my opinoin, especially when it comes to beat and time changes in thier songs. Anyone else agree?

~Rael~ wrote: Okay, I am probably going to get untold amounts of crap for suggesting this, but I think Mudvayne deserves a spot in the tech metal/extreme metal category, or at least prog related. These guys are more than just another metal band in my opinoin, especially when it comes to beat and time changes in thier songs. Anyone else agree?

*gives you untold amounts of crap*

Best to have it all at once rather than have it slowly build up

ProgBagel wrote: Just being outside of just the normal thing isn't prog. I have an issue when people want to call a band prog just because they're a little different then the popular rock/metal affiliates.

As I have an issue with Bands who label themselves as prog when their songs are completely normal and standard 4/4 but 10 minutes long. (they exist)

This belongs in the Suggest New Bands/Artists section.

souio wrote: ProgBagel wrote: Just being outside of just the normal thing isn't prog. I have an issue when people want to call a band prog just because they're a little different then the popular rock/metal affiliates. As I have an issue with Bands who label themselves as prog when their songs are completely normal and standard 4/4 but 10 minutes long. (they exist)

A good example of this would be Neu!  Still, every other track they have that doesn't have a motorik beat is pretty prog if you ask me.

I also disagree with the Mudvayne addition.  They're just not up to prog standards.

Mudvayne had their moments specially on LD50, but no, they won't fit here.

Sckxyss wrote: Gamemako wrote: Wow. Next thing you know, they'll add Blind Guardian.   This was a joke, right?

I think I'll edit my sig.

Founder, president, and sole member of the "Dear God, why are BG listed in the Archives?" Club.

Mudvayne is certainly complicated at times, math metal perhaps if only on their first CD LD50 (which is on my top 50 llst  . . im so emo) but clearly not prog.
They really only break the mold in terms of time sigs and riffing patterns. Lyrically they fail to impress, they dont use any incredibly different song structure/composition from most rock bands and arent particularly achieved at their respective instruments (though i love their bassist and his interaction with the drummer- really cool rhythm section)
poooossssibly prog related but even thats a real stretch. i think they're better off off the archives.

EDIT - seriously though. . . Blind Guardian? . sorry.


Edited by keiser willhelm - December 13 2007 at 04:31

Easy Livin wrote: Gamemako wrote: Wow. Next thing you know, they'll add Blind Guardian. At least I can take some solace in the fact that I don't think Mike likes Mudvayne and they will thus not be added.   The implication of your second paragraph here is disrespectful. Our collaborators work with impunity to add bands who they consider fit here, regardless of personal taste.

Lapse of judgment.

I can't help but wonder why Mike insists that Mirror Mirror is "proggy" with its verse-chorus structure, simple 4/4 time signature, blending of power metal and power metal, and ho-hum syncopation (look guys, we discovered sixteenth notes!).

//EDIT: Back to Mudvayne, they're just not prog at all. I mean...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qw7-NCFbog

Yeah guys, prog!


Edited by Gamemako - December 13 2007 at 04:44

Gamemako wrote: Lapse of judgment. I can't help but wonder why Mike insists that Mirror Mirror is "proggy" with its verse-chorus structure, simple 4/4 time signature, blending of power metal and power metal, and ho-hum syncopation (look guys, we discovered sixteenth notes!).

"blending of power metal and power metal" ... not sure what you mean by that.

What makes Nightfall a standout album is the intricate blend of Folk/Medieval music and Power Metal, the massive layering of tracks (vocals, guitars), the epic concept and the complex arrangements. Mirror Mirror is indeed not very complex in terms of structure ... but prog is not about trying to avoid 4/4 at all cost, and it's only one track of the album.