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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2007 at 00:25
Make however many albums they need with Roadrunner and get a deal with a label like InsideOut.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2007 at 00:19
Originally posted by ProgBagel ProgBagel wrote:

I think Rudess needs the boot. Brilliant keyboard player, but has gone to far in chops. Not saying I want Petrucci to have the spotlight...but having an insane guitar then keyboard solo is getting old. I prefer a symphonic one like Kevin Moore.


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don't just stop with Rudess... they all need the boot (but Myung perhaps.. he has the good sense to remain..errrr.. silent hhahahha) .....  a little less soloing.. and a bit more playing together as a band.. not a vehicle for insane guitar...and insane keyboard solos..  it has to get tiring after awhile for even the most acne-scarred of DT fans...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 22:53
I actually feel like Rudess' contributions need to be more pronounced in the music like in Metropolis 2 and Six Degrees...with those albums (especially 6), you can tell that Rudess is contributing the melodies and other symphonicness that the band needs in order to be successful in avoiding things like "Constant Motion".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 14:45
I think Rudess needs the boot. Brilliant keyboard player, but has gone to far in chops. Not saying I want Petrucci to have the spotlight...but having an insane guitar then keyboard solo is getting old. I prefer a symphonic one like Kevin Moore.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 12:38
They need more:
 
 
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And less:
 
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The last DT I bought was Train of Thougt which just bored me to tears when it wasn't annoying me. Jumping on the suburban-upper-middleclass-whiteboy-rap-metal thing was particularly hideous.  And really, throughout their career (except "Scenes from a Memory") I find they have been unable to slow things down without sounding generic hair metal to AOR and uninspired. And its not that I don't like having slower moments I just want to hear it done less formulaic.
 
And seriously, I grow weary of the technicality = lack of feeling concept.  Its all very subjective and in the case of Dream Theater what people call emotion I call boring and unlistenable.  Its true that contrast is very important.  But even the quietest moments can be done with skill, exploration and without trying to cater to the mainstream.  Right now they are far from the best thing that progmetal has to offer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 12:29
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

I think they should add more GUITAR SOLOS!  Petrucci is liek god so I don't get why they dont just put out albums of him soloing cause hes the best guitarist evr or mabye an album of drum soloz cause dude portnoy is amazing.  


I doubt whether sarcasm will help ... and fortunately the typical DT fan isn't like you describe it.Big%20smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 12:19
I think they should add more GUITAR SOLOS!  Petrucci is liek god so I don't get why they dont just put out albums of him soloing cause hes the best guitarist evr or mabye an album of drum soloz cause dude portnoy is amazing.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 12:17
/\ oh come on, it's been a little while Wink


as for me, I like all their output for the most part, except when they're trying to be "overly metal"....Train of Thought is an example of this gone awry. I did like the new album though and felt it was a step in the right direction, despite some missteps along the way (Constant Motion and Forsaken come to mind, neither of which is horrendous but could've been left off the album and I would have been fine)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 12:11
Yes!  Another Dream Theater thread!  I can't get enough of these! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 11:15
I wouldn't be devastated if Labrie left as I don't think he's in the same class as the rest of the band and a stronger vocalist could make all the difference.
 
Stronger melodies wouldn't go amiss at times either.
 
Despite that I still think they're a hell of a good band and just about the best in the Prog Metal genre today.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 11:11
DT are a great band but I think they need more acoustic guitar and less chunk and balls
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 10:47
They need to do something new- ie take a risk. They need to be Dream Theater, not a band that makes albums filled with songs that could be picked out as having a certain influence as their last album was.

I think they need a few years off to really think about making an album in less than a month. They need emotion. They need to blend their many, many obvious influences into something fresh. New music comes from the combination other music and styles, not from making a bunch of songs in which every song has an obvious influence. They need to blend.

Frankly, I think they've passed their peak and I'm not expecting anything fantastic out of them for the rest of their career if they continue in the manner they've been going.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 10:27
Hackett pwned them years ago LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 10:26
They need to be owned by Steve Hackett, so they can finally loose their manly urges and create something with true beauty inside instead of empty technique.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 10:25
I personally think they should cut ties with their metal past and move into more varied landscapes.  No doubt they are giants of metal rock and their early albums are testaments to that prowess but been there, done that, fellas.  Their greatest triumphs have been when they allowed themselves to dabble in symphonic themes and more ethereal soundscapes and I would love to see them further explore the direction they took with their epic Octavarium and Six Degrees.  Their latest CD did absolutely nothing for me and I gave it to my son.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 09:01
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

Emotion
 
good grief...I think they have bucket loads....maybe you should go and listen to some Spiral Architect, then re-evaluate...LOL


LOL I get your point (Spiral Architect rule anyway)
actually I don't mean this 'cheesy' emotion that they produce sometimes

they need deeper emotion when they get 'cheesy'
and they need deeper emotion when they confuse recording with jamming...Wink

and a bit more inspiration after Metropolis pt.2 would not have been bad...


Edited by aapatsos - November 24 2007 at 09:02
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 08:59
Originally posted by Lonely Progger Lonely Progger wrote:

So if you had the 4 members of DT in front of you discussing about their 2009 album what advice would you give them ?

SPARE US!

or

Make it a Zorn wannabee insane avant-garde 79 minute opus.

or

An instrumental album. Complexity/musicianship toned down. Focus on melodies.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 08:40
^ they could do all those things, but they wouldn't be Dream Theater any more, so what is the point?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 08:16
fandango
"no...nothing to add...I've been happy listening to their music since before you were born (with the exception of FII which was quite a disappointment) ...and will probably still be happy with them, when you have kids of your own....Wink"
 
Well good for you, but i think they are capable of much better.
 
"The obvious answer is that as a Prog Metal band they never will deliver a Prog album that appeals to all Proggers, which wouild put them in the top 15, or even the top 50."
 
That's just the thing they don't have to do prog metal they are a very versatile group,Petrucci shows his different guitar styles In LTE & In the live with J.Rudess, Portnoy's drumming isn't always violent=transatlantic & Myung's bass could be used in something other than a metal context. But if they did drop the power chords would they still be as impressive as they are in Prog metal ? and would they be any good.
 
And also Prog to me is about 2 major things and 1 less important one.
First it's being complicated so as not to get bored when you listen to the music DT will satisfy anyone there. The second is being progressive so taking the words of darqdean :Also, I was listening to Systematic Chaos yesterday and it struck me how much old ground they were retreading on that album.
Which is true they don't seem to have evolved much in the last 8 years.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2007 at 07:59
I think they somehow lost their inspiration after SDoiT. I love Train of Thought and enjoy listening to Octavarium and Systematic Chaos, but they're definitely lacking in the songwriting department. Of course they're free to do whatever they want to do, but my suggestion would be for them to try something completely different ... and *not* trying to fuse their sound with that of other artists. I mean, influences are ok and it's better to steal than to imitate, but I'm sick of listening to their albums and thinking "ok, that's the Muse song of the album, here they're sounding like Opeth ... that track has Linkin Park written all over it etc. etc.".
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