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My old amplifier (from the '70's gave out)  I have a functioning and fairly new turntable.  I need to get my setup functioning so I can record LPs that haven't been released on CD to a CD.  Blasphemy for you vinyl purists? Evil%20Smile
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2007 at 15:24
Not at all - I got a Project Debut III USB for that very reason Wink
 
 
 
 
Saves wear and tear on those precious First Presses.
 
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^ you're lecturing me about sound quality and how much digital sucks and then you use a turntable with an USB interface?Wink
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I was left a Pink Triangle Anniversary TT and around 800 vinyl albums (about 65% prog) by my late partner. He raved about vinyl's sound quality, but I had always thought CDs better.

No more - there's no comparison. The Pink Triangle eases the most unbelievable levels of detail out of the grooves and it all sounds so natural. I use my CD player for new releases not around on vinyl, but when I have a choice, it's vinyl every time.
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Unfortunately the human brain is easily deceived ... that's why there are listening tests. People fail to tell high quality sources apart (for example CD vs. vinyl) in controlled experiments, but there will always be people who try to tell you that one is vastly superior to the other.

My verdict: vinyl can sound great, CD can sound great!


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I wonder which format can generate a deeper silence...
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^ CD, hands down ... the signal to noise ratio is simply better.Approve
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Unfortunately the human brain is easily deceived ... that's why there are listening tests. People fail to tell high quality sources apart (for example CD vs. vinyl) in controlled experiments, but there will always be people who try to tell you that one is vastly superior to the other.

My verdict: vinyl can sound great, CD can sound great!


Nah, it's all crap.  The format I prefer is that cylinder tin foil thingy that Edison first came up with.

Yeah baby, that's the ticket!


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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ CD, hands down ... the signal to noise ratio is simply better.Approve


Thought so. So any music that makes use of extended periods of silence, like John Cage's, should be listened to on a CD.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

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Or perhaps this model, the Edison Home Phonograph....
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By the way for those seriously interested in the history:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/edhtml/edcyldr.html
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^ well, some might prefer vinyl ... if the silence is too perfect it doesn't sound natural. I guess that the rumble, hiss, pops and crackles of vinyl playback contribute much to the vinyl nostalgia ... 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ well, some might prefer vinyl ... if the silence is too perfect it doesn't sound natural. I guess that the rumble, hiss, pops and crackles of vinyl playback contribute much to the vinyl nostalgia ... 


They sure do, but at the same time they turn whatever music the vinyl holds into a kind of musique concrete. It's quite an invasive format, don't you think?

And there's no such thing as a silence that is too perfect or deep.

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ well, some might prefer vinyl ... if the silence is too perfect it doesn't sound natural. I guess that the rumble, hiss, pops and crackles of vinyl playback contribute much to the vinyl nostalgia ... 


I'll confess to a little vinyl nostalgia.  When I first became a zombie prog person, I could get great used prog for $2 or $3 for a double album.  My favorite store from then is still in business, Wax 'n' Facts.  Haven't paid them a visit in years.  They probably do sell used CDs these days.  Nowadays for used CDs, I buy from the internet or a closer store called Ella Guru.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ you're lecturing me about sound quality and how much digital sucks... Wink
 
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As I said, it saves on wear and tear.


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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ CD, hands down ... the signal to noise ratio is simply better.Approve


Thought so. So any music that makes use of extended periods of silence, like John Cage's, should be listened to on a CD.
 
Cage's piece doesn't use silence at all - it's simply that no notes are played during a performance. The two concepts are completely different. Wink
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Vinyl > CD.

I agree. Don't get me wrong, CDs are great for on-the-go or when you're at the computer, but CDs suffer from audio compression that LPs do NOT suffer from. (Case in point: Genesis's "Foxtrot")


All of my progressive rock albums (except for Rush's "2112" and Yes's "Tormato"....and Pink Floyd's "Animals", "The Dark Side of the Moon", and "Wish You Were Here"....so not ALL of them) are on vinyl.
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Points: 21188 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2007 at 03:12
One of the advantages of the CD format is that it has a better signal to noise ratio ... or in other words: An increased range of loudness (between silence and the loudest possible sound). Whether a recording sounds compressed or not has *nothing* to do with the CD format ... it's a choice which the recording engineer makes.
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Points: 1305 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2007 at 03:20
A long time ago Aaron and I picked up Asia's self titled, Genesis' Duke and Yes 90125 for about $3 each. We don't have a turntable, we ust thought it'd be funny to start a collection of 80's pop prog.
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