Porcupine Tree...Heavy Prog?

I don't see the difference between Heavy Prog and Progressive Metal, is it just a question of the amount of distortion ? they both use powerchords and they are both based on heavy metal, but the prog metal we know DT and others are mostly based on Iron Maiden & Mettalica which aren't only heavy metal but also a lot of punk which makes them different to Led Zeppelin who are really considered the first to play the heavy metal we all know.Is this the main distinction between Heavy Prog & Progressive Metal?

stonebeard wrote: Can someone please lay out how the decision was arrived at. I know PT were going to be moved from Psychedelic at some point; with their current career path it was inevitable. But I feel now that the psychedelic years are now overlooked. I feel it's trading one poor categorization for another. Without tagging, it's impossible to pidgeonhole Porcupine Tree, so why even make the move anyway?

If and when you have time, you could search our topics in the Collaborators Lounge, we've discussed PT's better place with lots of fervour.

The thing is, PT turned from its psychedelic aura years ago, and it's no mere alternative style they've tried since. Therefore, first of all, the band has experimented a different style that the psychedelic one, which was attribute to PT as a whole. On the other hand, you can't say PT's newest style(s) are marginal, incidental or shallow ones. Therefore, however great the psychedelic period was, PT has become a band of rock (instead of psych) and of different emulated styles. Now, since the Eclectic idea has fallen off, Heavy Rock sounds just fine. 

@ Rottenhat: this is what we mean by 'multi-tagging'. Personally, I am very much in favour of the idea, but then I am not the site's webmaster. I think that sooner or later it will be implemented, but we should all be patient.

Ricochet wrote: I think David was humoring and you missed his humorous idea...

I like the heavy prog def. better than psych./space(which I found weird) it is only valid for their first 3-4 albums.  That brings me to a subject others have mentioned,  bands sometimes cross genres, why can´t they be both heavy prog and psych/space. Is it too complicated if albums were associated w. part. genres? If it were done the site would be perfected. I hope it will be possible. Bands change over the years, some little but some drastically, so one genre doesn´t always say that much about a band.

Edited by Hamfari - November 16 2007 at 14:16

I'm interested in multi-tagging just to see what an album like "Invisible Touch" gets.  

NaturalScience wrote: I'm interested in multi-tagging just to see what an album like "Invisible Touch" gets.

M@x FTW!

Edited by Hamfari - November 16 2007 at 16:17

Ghost Rider wrote: Hamfari wrote: I like the heavy prog def. better than psych./space(which I found weird) it is only valid for their first 3-4 albums.  That brings me to a subject others have mentioned,  why can´t bands cross genres, why can´t they be both heavy prog and psych/space. Is it too complicated if albums were associated w. part. genres? If it were done the site would be perfected. Bands change over the years, some little but some drastically, so one genre doesn´t always say that much about a band. This is exactly why many people here support multi-tagging per album. It would probably put paid to the endless genre-based squabbles, though it may spark off others. In any case, most prog bands have changed genre over the course of their career, especially if they have been active for a number of years. For bands such as those, we try to choose the 'period' that best represents them, or which was most influential. It's not easy, and of course prone to disagreement... but this is what happens in art, which is not a hard science, and therefore can't be expected to be exact.

people should read that.... and understand that....

Ghost Rider wrote: stonebeard wrote: Can someone please lay out how the decision was arrived at. I know PT were going to be moved from Psychedelic at some point; with their current career path it was inevitable. But I feel now that the psychedelic years are now overlooked. I feel it's trading one poor categorization for another. Without tagging, it's impossible to pidgeonhole Porcupine Tree, so why even make the move anyway? Andrew, you are a SC, so you can look at the posts in the Psyche Team thread. The discussions in the Collab zone are public and open to everyone. Perhaps we made a mistake in not having a poll or something like that, but every one of us has a life outside PA, and sometimes it tends to intrude and take our minds off site matters. This is all I can say now. Hopefully David, Ruben, Eetu and the others will confirm what I said, or add their point of view to mine.

as I will...since to be honest... I was the one who brought this up... well before the split with the idea of moving them to the old  AR ...

I asked Eetu earlier this year to consider it... he said the psych team wanted to wait till the next album to see which direction they took... all the while recoginizing that they had turned from S-R Psyche.  After FOABB and with the AR split.... we brought this back up... in August or September if I remember right... and waited  this long till everyone was on the same page.  Those discussions were open to any collab or P-R .  If you didn't notice... you weren't reading what was going on.  Those collab areas are frequented, with regularity, by a small percentage of our collabs.  It's all there.... you just have to pay attention.. otherwise... accept the decision which was made by those who care enough to contribute.


Edited by micky - November 16 2007 at 16:32