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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2007 at 23:25
My former roommate was from Japan.  He was a big music fan (a composition major too).  He was mostly into noise rock, punk and art-rock-like stuff, but he was well aware of Ruins and liked them.  There was another awesome band he liked and played for me a bunch of times called Rovo.  They were similar to Mahavishnu Orchestra.  I know there was a band called Rovo from the US.  It was not them.  They're Japanese. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2007 at 14:24
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

What I'm curious about is prog in China...
 
Have a look at this band from China
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 05:58
I lived in Japan for a good portion of my life, and I must say the prog scene in Japan has its pluses and minuses. CD stores both new and used as well as the plentiful CD rental shops are very well organized, and usually have a good selection of the more popular prog bands. As mentioned, in Tokyo, the areas around Shinjuku and Ochanomizu stations have a vast number of used CD shops some of which specialize in only prog. Shibuya also has a number of big box CD stores 6 or 7 storeys tall. There is of course a loyal prog following among a certain kind of listener, much as there is in the west.

On the downside, prog both domestic and foreign gets very little radio play, and is seldom featured at the in-shop listening stations, so people probably find out about it mainly through word of mouth or on the internet. All in all, prog is probably slightly less well known than in the U.S. or Britain.

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What are the most popular prog acts (local and intl.)?

I decided to look into this question a bit more. I've compiled lists of the bestselling prog CDs based on the sales ranks given on the Amazon Japan web site. I'll only list the most popular CD for each band.

International bands
1. Led Zeppelin - "The Song Remains the Same" 67
2. Pink Floyd - "Dark Side of the Moon" 1212
3. King Crimson - "The Court of the Crimson King" 1245
4. Queen - "Made in Heaven" 1679
5. Radiohead - "Airbag/How am I driving?" 1741
6. Muse - "Absolution" 2019
7. Dream Theater - "Systematic Chaos" 3342
8. Tool - "10,000 days" 5586
9. Deep Purple - "Made in Japan" 8182
10. Porcupine Tree - "Nil Recurring" 8285

Led Zeppelin and King Crimson appear to be actually more popular in Japan than in the U.S., while the other bands are all less so. Other bands that are popular in the west such as The Mars Volta, Jethro Tull and Blackfield finish further down the Japanese list. Blackfield in particular seem virtually unknown in Japan, surprising given the high ranking of Porcupine Tree.

Japanese bands
1. Sound Horizon - "Elysion" 282
Not listed on progarchives yet, but given by Honganji as a prog band. They do elaborate rock opera stage shows with an emphasis on the vocals sort of akin to Ayreon or Andrew Lloyd Webber.
2.Envy - "abyssal" 778
3.Dir en Grey - "Dozing Green" 793
More gothic metal than prog and perhaps a bit poppy for some tastes, but they do have some prog-like traits: a certain dramatic character, shifting moods within the same song, themes other than love.
4.Yellow Magic Orchestra as HASYMO - "Rescue/Rydeen" 845
A weird mix of synthpop and vaguely atonal bits a la David Sylvian/Japan.
5.World's End Girlfriend - "The Lie Lay Land" 2049
Post-rock which alternates between prog-like guitar riffs, children's songs, dissonance and new age. "Garden in the Ceiling" recalls Genesis's "Musical Box" or Kate Bush.
6.toe. - "new sentimentality" 2132
7.Boredoms - "Vision Creation Newsun" 6551
8.High and Mighty Color - "Amazing" 9454
An eclectic band, not yet reviewed in progarchives. Their tracks vary widely from symphonic goth metal a la Nightwish to pop to hard hip hop often all within the same song. They show flashes of prog influence on tracks like their hit "Ichirin no Hana" and "Aozora ni furu yuki."
9.Mono - "Gone: A collection of EP's 2000-2007" 15102
10.Acid Mothers Temple & The Melting Paraiso UFO - "Acid Motherly Love" 26362
Jimi Hendrix-like psychedelic jams. Guaranteed to send you tripping back to the 1960s.

Many of the other bands honganji mentioned - Sense of Wonder, Gerard, Kenso, Ain Soph, Ruins and Bi Kyo Ran - finish not far behind. Has anyone mentioned Otomo Yoshihide?

Edited by fuurinkazan - November 09 2007 at 09:28
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 11:49
Is Gerard on hiatus? Seems like it's been a bit since the last CD...

No new Ars Nova until next year, too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 16:53
Gerard will give 4 lives in this December. Active band.
Ars Nova is also active. However I'm astonished at current formation. Once Ars Nova was formed by only female musicians. Now Ars Nova includes male guitarist and male drummer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 16:57
Honganji, Gerard should follow the 'fresh blood element' that Ars Nova has added: a guitarist, I am sure they will be close to the level of their first two albums because to me their latest efforts sound as if they have run out of ideas Unhappy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 17:05
Originally posted by honganji honganji wrote:

Gerard will give 4 lives in this December. Active band.
Ars Nova is also active. However I'm astonished at current formation. Once Ars Nova was formed by only female musicians. Now Ars Nova includes male guitarist and male drummer.


damn... I didn't know that....  .. nice gig if you can get it LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2007 at 17:39
One of the best Symphonic albums of 2007 comes from Japan, I think that's a good sign o a healthy scene. I'm referring to Outer Limits' Stromatolite. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2007 at 05:34
 
           Good call, you Romanian proghead Thumbs%20Up but ... now I am waiting for
      your review because this looks a bit poor for such a splendid comeback:
 

OUTER LIMITS "Stromatolite" ratings distribution

4.43 / 5
(5 ratings, only two with review Unhappy )
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2007 at 20:02
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Honganji, Gerard should follow the 'fresh blood element' that Ars Nova has added: a guitarist, I am sure they will be close to the level of their first two albums because to me their latest efforts sound as if they have run out of ideas Unhappy
 
Maybe need fresh blood element.
Glass Fortress was very good album. However Sighs ~ was a little boring for me. So I don't buy next album Power Of Infinity until today.
Most favorite album is Irony Of Fate. But Gerard is no need to produce such album. I want to hear another kind also really just Gerard music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2007 at 06:20

What about buying live video's and live DVD's with Japanese progrock in Japan, how many are available?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2007 at 12:00
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

What about buying live video's and live DVD's with Japanese progrock in Japan, how many are available?

 
Kenso and Koenji Hyakkei released DVDs. But there are few cases to release DVDs. As far as I know, Koenji Hyakkei/Live At Doors are available. Sound Horizon's 2 live DVDs are also available. But first DVD is not good. Aramary is very good singer in CD but I hear she could not sing well in this stage. What happened on her???? Second DVD is very good. However I wonder you can accept the music or not. Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2007 at 12:15
I remember Starless!!
They released DVD in January 2006. Probably it is available.
 
Also Prism will release DVD in this November.
 
Unfortunately, Teru's Symphonia, Bi Kyo Ran, Cosmos Factory, Far East Family Band, Vienna, Yoninbayshi, etc many famous bands have no DVDs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2007 at 13:54
Well Honganji, once I met the famous Japanese proghead #1 Mr. Numero Ueno in Europe during the Gerard tour, he has an amazing private collection because he used to make video footage of all known Japanese progrock bands during their concerts in Japan. I had to pay a hell lot of money to get a compilation from him with bands like Pageant, Outer Limits, Gerard, Mugen and Deja Vu, I hope once he will put it on DVD, I am sure many progheads are longing for it!
I also know that Gerard has released a video entitled Chaos, I have reviewed it because I got it on DVD from a Chilean proghead. And Ars Nova is on a Progfest video (1994?) along with White Willow and Solaris, awesome Thumbs%20Up
In the past you could buy Japanese prog video's at Musea but all items are out of print.
Starless was an interesting band, they turned from a hardrock band into a Heavy Prog band and made some fine albums so I am curious to that DVD Honganji.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2007 at 23:19
When I was in Japan in the summer, I went vinyl hunting and found a store that had a very large progressive rock section. Picked up Nursery Cryme there. Anyway, I didn't want to read through all these posts (I'm new here)...but, I'll say something:

I don't think progressive music is actually *HUGE* in Japan. But, there are lots of crazy cult followings in Japan. Many artists who aren't "famous" actually have many devoted fans for many years. There are many subcultures or whatever for stuff like this. It's pretty crazy.

Anyway, an artist like Tatsuya Yoshida. He isn't a huge celebrity there. But, to fans of avant-garde music in Japan that are into the scene, he is a god.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2008 at 02:22
Originally posted by chuuzetsu chuuzetsu wrote:

When I was in Japan in the summer, I went vinyl hunting and found a store that had a very large progressive rock section.


Wow! Do you recall the name of the store? Was it in Osaka or Tokyo?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2008 at 10:27
Apart from Mono and Acid Mothers Temple and a few of their offshoots I know very little about Japanese music, isn't Japanese Zeuhl supposed to be amazing?

I love AMT lol.
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