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Time Signature 
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 13:14 |
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Would you guys consider Genesis' "Turn it on again" to be prog, or at least proggish?
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 13:16 |
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Well, I used to like the song, but prog? Probably not... Haven't heard it in years, though.
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Time Signature
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 13:37 |
I'm almost constantly listening to it these days. I really like the way that they manage to "disguise" the 13/8 main part and the 3/4 parts as something simpler. It also deviates from the traditional song structure, and the only thing that is chorus-like appears at the very end. I think, I'd consider the tune to be somewhat progressive.
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 13:37 |
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Not Really, its just another 80's song. The Album Itself (Duke) I would consider it Prog.
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puma
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 13:42 |
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The song isn't "prog", whatever that means, but it sure is in an odd time signature!
Btw it's alternating 7/4 and 6/4, there's no 13/8 anywhere in the song
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 13:46 |
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This clearly isn't the prog rock Genesis we all like, though it's not in my tastes, I think "turn it on again" isn't bad, I think it's good pop rock.
"And there were three" has the last remains of the prog rock Genesis (and that is just a couple of songs that are more proggish).
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Time Signature
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 13:48 |
 puma wrote:
The song isn't "prog", whatever that means, but it sure is in an odd time signature!
Btw it's alternating 7/4 and 6/4, there's no 13/8 anywhere in the song
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Not if you ask Phil Collins. He claims it's in 13/8. I guess it depends on whether you see it in the perspective of the drum beat or the guitar figure.
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 14:02 |
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My parameters of what I consider prog are rather liberal but I would consider the song to be very progressive regardless, especially when viewed in light of the disco/punk/new-age timeframe it was released in.
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P.H.P.
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 14:25 |
Prog is not about "how complex you can get" so it doesn't really matter if the song is in 13/8 or whatever, remember those 3 guys are superior musicians, really talented, but doing pop rock here. 
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 14:31 |
Time Signature wrote:
puma wrote:
The song isn't "prog", whatever that means, but it sure is in an odd time signature!
Btw it's alternating 7/4 and 6/4, there's no 13/8 anywhere in the song
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Not if you ask Phil Collins. He claims it's in 13/8. I guess it depends on whether you see it in the perspective of the drum beat or the guitar figure. |
13/8 + 13/8 = 7/4 + 6/4, So I guess it depends on how you like to count, where you find your groove.
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 14:59 |
Does anyone remember the fact that Turn it On would have been the center of a "Duke Suite" originally proposed by the band but scrapped because they didn't want to make it seem like they were trying to do Suppers Ready again (i am talking format not content  . )
The song order would have been Behind the Lines-Dutchess-Guide Vocal-Turn it On-Dukes Travels-Dukes End. In my mind it was very progressive. It was too bad they never captured it for a live album on that 1980 tour. Or if they have it they should release it.
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puma
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 15:50 |
explodingjosh wrote:
Time Signature wrote:
puma wrote:
The song isn't "prog", whatever that means, but it sure is in an odd time signature!
Btw it's alternating 7/4 and 6/4, there's no 13/8 anywhere in the song
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Not if you ask Phil Collins. He claims it's in 13/8. I guess it depends on whether you see it in the perspective of the drum beat or the guitar figure. |
13/8 + 13/8 = 7/4 + 6/4, So I guess it depends on how you like to count, where you find your groove. |
I see now. I guess I count half time usually, which would naturally lead to my giving it a different name. Regardless, it's a very creative chord progression, I love the song
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 16:41 |
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It's not "prog", or at least wouldn't be regarded as "prog" by most people. It's still a great song though.
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 16:41 |
Garion81 wrote:
Does anyone remember the fact that Turn it On would have been the center of a "Duke Suite" originally proposed by the band but scrapped because they didn't want to make it seem like they were trying to do Suppers Ready again (i am talking format not content. )
The song order would have been Behind the Lines-Dutchess-Guide Vocal-Turn it On-Dukes Travels-Dukes End. In my mind it was very progressive. It was too bad they never captured it for a live album on that 1980 tour. Or if they have it they should release it.
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Interesting, I never knew that. A Duke suite would have worked well, IMO! On-topic: Turn it On Again I really wouldn't consider prog, but it's a great pop song. Granted, it was different from most of what was being released at that time. Now, Behind the Lines, Duke's Travels, and Duke's End are three different stories.
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 17:03 |
To me it is prog even though it may have achieved a high position on the pop charts. The odd meter aside, it's still definitely more of the prog aesthetic than pop or classc rock.
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Neil
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 17:16 |
It's the song that got me into Genesis and then into all sorts of other prog and I still rate it. It probably isn't traditionally what is thought of as prog (certainly not by early Genesis fans anyway) but it's a superbly crafted track and one of my favourites. If I ever hear the intro I immediately turn up the volume. 
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forte88
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 17:19 |
I would still categorize it as prog, although a bit watered down. The interesting time signature I don't think was ever really put in a pop song before. It doesn't have the many changes, movements, and dynamics as their previous work. I'd say it's more of a prog to pop transition piece leaning toward pop genre. But .. still was interesting and differant enough to say it had some prog properties in it.
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 17:25 |
Well... certainly not in the high status of works such as "The Knife" or
"The Musical Box", and "Cinema Show" or "Watcher of The Skies" -
to me this tune is Pop Rock... music for the masses.
I stopped listening to Genesis after Steve Hackett left. What's the point?
Prog? No...
A good pop tune with some tricky time sigs (for POP) yes...
Give me "Fountain of Salmacis" anyday - -
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 17:59 |
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Good song, geat creativity (for Phil collins Genesis) Prog? not so much...
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 18:09 |
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I think it's progressive. The fact that it was on the radio doesn't automatically disqualify it. Genesis the pop band still were really good at what they did. They just got older and simplified things so they could cash in a bit.
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