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Points: 8844 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2007 at 00:30
Originally posted by Chris Stacey Chris Stacey wrote:

I notice a lot of " personal" " Local" bands get inclusion on PA but crossover geniuses like Black Sabbath don't even get a sniff. Why would that be? Had BS been my backyard good feel prog garage band in outer Romania would they be here now?


Black Sabbath were just straight-forward hard rock/heavy metal.  I don't think they played a prog note in their career. 

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Points: 10094 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2007 at 00:38
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Stacey Chris Stacey wrote:

I notice a lot of " personal" " Local" bands get inclusion on PA but crossover geniuses like Black Sabbath don't even get a sniff. Why would that be? Had BS been my backyard good feel prog garage band in outer Romania would they be here now?


Black Sabbath were just straight-forward hard rock/heavy metal.  I don't think they played a prog note in their career. 


how does one play a prog note exactly? LOL


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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2007 at 00:58
Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Stacey Chris Stacey wrote:

I notice a lot of " personal" " Local" bands get inclusion on PA but crossover geniuses like Black Sabbath don't even get a sniff. Why would that be? Had BS been my backyard good feel prog garage band in outer Romania would they be here now?


Black Sabbath were just straight-forward hard rock/heavy metal.  I don't think they played a prog note in their career. 


how does one play a prog note exactly? LOL


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Points: 7028 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2007 at 01:01
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Stacey Chris Stacey wrote:

I notice a lot of " personal" " Local" bands get inclusion on PA but crossover geniuses like Black Sabbath don't even get a sniff. Why would that be? Had BS been my backyard good feel prog garage band in outer Romania would they be here now?


Black Sabbath were just straight-forward hard rock/heavy metal.  I don't think they played a prog note in their career. 
Notwithstanding your view and opinion of course, BS played plenty of prog in their early career. Do  you  challenge me for examples? And when I do compare them to " Gallows Pole", " Tangerine" " Since I been Loving You" ( not that I disagree with all of course) will you still say that "Zebut Puel" from late 70's Poland warrant more inclusion than a metallurgic spasm of a  psychedlic wonderfuelled prog wet dream?
 
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I haven't heard Zebut Puel, but I have heard Sabbath's first four albums, and they aren't progressive in the slightest.  

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what about Wheels Of Confusion (Vol4) or Hand of Doom (Paranoid) or  War Pigs (Paranoid)? they sound at least prog-related
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2007 at 13:36
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

I haven't heard Zebut Puel, but I have heard Sabbath's first four albums, and they aren't progressive in the slightest.  


I disagree. In their first album there are a lot of proggy moments, and some of the tracks have the structure of mini-suites. However, BS were rejected over and over again, though there are many people who are in favour of their addition - which in any case would spark another endless, unpleasant controversy. This is why the Admin team, who are responsible for PP/PR additions, tend to tread lightly these days.

Personally, I have no objection to their addition - on the contrary. However, I'd also like people to express their suggestions in a less confrontational way.
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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2007 at 13:38
Yes, please keep it civil, guys. Smile
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2007 at 13:45
Originally posted by unclemeat69 unclemeat69 wrote:

what about Wheels Of Confusion (Vol4) or Hand of Doom (Paranoid) or  War Pigs (Paranoid)? they sound at least prog-related


Confirmed:  Any song with over 3 chords is prog.  Hilary Duff to be added for that one song with an 11/8 bridge...  INTO RIO. 

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Points: 362 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2007 at 13:47
To get back to the original  discussion:
Frank Zappa used to throw in Louie Louie all the time, and later on My Sharona, and sometimes some classical stuff (Stravinsky)
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Points: 2461 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2007 at 16:08
Originally posted by unclemeat69 unclemeat69 wrote:

To get back to the original  discussion:
Frank Zappa used to throw in Louie Louie all the time, and later on My Sharona, and sometimes some classical stuff (Stravinsky)



My favourite "Louie Louie" quote is the extraordinary finale of "Flakes" on the SHEIK YERBOUTI album! ("I'm a moron and this is my wife...")
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2007 at 17:06
Let's not divert this thread into a discussion about the addition of Black Sabbath. there is a section for such debate.
 
Chris, I don't recall you asking for permission to add BS, have you? You did however seek and gain permission to add Peter Bardens back in April, but that has not yet happened. It seems rather unfair to complain about additions by others when you do not complete those you have sought yourself.
 
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Points: 16310 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2007 at 17:22
This thread's a laugh.
How's that for constructive.Ermm
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Points: 7028 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2007 at 04:19
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Let's not divert this thread into a discussion about the addition of Black Sabbath. there is a section for such debate.
 
Chris, I don't recall you asking for permission to add BS, have you? You did however seek and gain permission to add Peter Bardens back in April, but that has not yet happened. It seems rather unfair to complain about additions by others when you do not complete those you have sought yourself.
 
I have no defense re Peter Bardens inclusion and empowering myself to include him after PA approval. If I said I did not have the time it would sound a lame excuse but nevertheless the  truth.
 
If my comments seem confrontational,I appologise and I will refrain from future opinions but life is too short to walk on eggshells.
 
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Points: 12817 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2007 at 04:35
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Karl Jenkins always borrows his own riff, it seems.  Tunes by Nucleus and Soft Machine, seem to share that riff.  I guess he ran out of ideas. LOL


Did he have that many? Possibly the worse thing to happen to Soft Machine - and he does not seem to acknowledges their existence anymore
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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2007 at 11:53
Yet Bundles is an exceptionally good album.  I also really love Holdsworth and Etheridge's additions.

It is odd that he doesn't acknowledge his past though... I heard his Desert Island Discs.  It was disappointing.
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