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BaldFriede 
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 Posted: August 04 2007 at 14:05 |
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Right, let's get back to Lucifer in prog. "Gog / Magog (In Bromine Chambers)" from Peter Hammill's solo album "In Camera" comes to my mind.
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 BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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oracus
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Posted: August 05 2007 at 07:26 |
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Οκ, Perils by Miasma And The Carouse Of Headless Horses.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 09:14 |
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 09:22 |
 oracus wrote:
Yes you can, but i do not put a gender label to God :-) So for me is not a patriarchy with the cover of religion |
I just thought of this...
Putting a gender on anything, suggests the need for a counterpart. Why have a male without a female or vice versa? The purpose of gender is what?
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Dim
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 16:55 |
Okay I think we are missing the band that threw satanism and ocultism into the mainstream...
LED ZEPPELIN!!!
C'mon, Jimmy Page is the epidomy of dark religion in music. He boght a mansion where a chrch was burnt down and a satanist priest built the house.
This is part of the reason I dont respect led zep in any way.
On the argument about the religion, I dont understand why some idiots would make an anti christian faith anyway, just to upset us christians? I highly respect what jesusislord was saying earlier, and we shouldnt be finding little conspiracies in the name of stuff like vicarius domine or whatever.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 17:01 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
I highly respect what jesusislord was saying earlier, and we shouldnt be finding little conspiracies in the name of stuff like vicarius domine or whatever. |
werd, bro.
Edited by Shakespeare - August 07 2007 at 17:01
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 17:09 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Maybe YOU don't put a gender label on God, but these religions clearly do.
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I think they only call God "He" because they have to call Him something. "It" wouldn't be personal at all, and at the time when He was first being called "He", feminists were not exactly popular. I remind you that He is also referred to as "Lord" which doesn't specify a gender. Now let's move on from that...
Edited by Shakespeare - August 07 2007 at 17:10
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Dean
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 17:27 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
On the argument about the religion, I dont understand why some idiots would make an anti christian faith anyway, just to upset us christians? |
Why would they do that? Nobody has ever created an anti-christian faith - that just doesn't make sense - you cannot make a religion about being against something and honestly, no one would bother doing it just to upset christians.
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What?
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thellama73
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 17:36 |
Shakespeare wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Maybe YOU don't put a gender label on God, but these religions clearly do.
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I think they only call God "He" because they have to call Him something. "It" wouldn't be personal at all, and at the time when He was first being called "He", feminists were not exactly popular. I remind you that He is also referred to as "Lord" which doesn't specify a gender.
Now let's move on from that...
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I suppose we could call God "they." In the beginning, they created the heaven and the earth etc.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 17:37 |
Shakespeare wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Maybe YOU don't put a gender label on God, but these religions clearly do.
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I think they only call God "He" because they have to call Him something. "It" wouldn't be personal at all, and at the time when He was first being called "He", feminists were not exactly popular. I remind you that He is also referred to as "Lord" which doesn't specify a gender.
Now let's move on from that...
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Certainly "Lord" specifies a gender; the female opposite of "Lord" is "Lady".
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 17:44 |
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Let's all just pretend I didn't make that last remark. Cool? Cool.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 23:05 |
darqdean wrote:
schizoid_man77 wrote:
On the argument about the religion, I dont understand why some idiots would make an anti christian faith anyway, just to upset us christians?
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Why would they do that? Nobody has ever created an anti-christian faith - that just doesn't make sense - you cannot make a religion about being against something and honestly, no one would bother doing it just to upset christians. |
Believe it ot not they are a lot of anti Christian quasi religious groups, but that's the fault of some Christians, once the Catholic Church was extremely unpopular, now some Christians who reject Catholics, Orthodox, Mornmons, Jehova Witness, etc, claim to be the chosen ones.
Once the Catholic Church was very closed, now the Popes have asked excvuses for past mistakes, we are willing to admit that salvation is an open door for everybody, but some Christian groups are becomming more and more radical.
It doesn't help that every bigot calls himself the true Christian, you have Bob Jones who creates a University that doen't admit interracial dating or even marriages among their students of different races, a fanatic who insults catholics, Jewishs, Moslems, etc.
Every white supremacy group claims to talk in the name of Christ. Stupid fanatics who call themseves "Pro Life" bomb abortion clinics and kill people and they say they do it in the name of Christ (I'm not in favour of abortion except in some specific cases like rape or therapeutical abortion, but I'm more against this lunatics)..
Neo nazis and KKK claim to be Christians, even George W who is a Christian and represents USA, goes to the racist, homophobic and anti.Catholic Bob Jones University during his campaign.
The sad thing is that the good Christians with open minds have to suffer the reaction against all this bigots.
The rational Christian Churches should take a strong position against this lunatics instead of calling them "mistaken brothers" or else the anti-Christian feeling will keep growing.
I'm not talking about real Christians, because I respect every belief or disbelief, but a few criminals and bigots destroy what the good men do.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 07 2007 at 23:08
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 01:32 |
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I have a friend who loves to call me anti-Christian (which I don't necessarily take as an insult) every time I counter his creationist debates (more like poorly-founded rants). I'm not specifically anti-christian, I'm kind of anti-organized religion in general. It just strikes me as incredibly silly. Sure, people needed religion to keep them in line a thousand years ago, but I think our society has reached a point where that is no longer needed.
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The Whistler
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 01:41 |
Guys, I found the first Satanic album ever recorded!
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 01:56 |
rileydog22 wrote:
I have a friend who loves to call me anti-Christian (which I don't necessarily take as an insult) every time I counter his creationist debates (more like poorly-founded rants). I'm not specifically anti-christian, I'm kind of anti-organized religion in general. It just strikes me as incredibly silly. Sure, people needed religion to keep them in line a thousand years ago, but I think our society has reached a point where that is no longer needed. |
This is not a question of society needs, or you believe or you don't, it's somethinmg personal.
Iván
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 01:58 |
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Well, that's the thing. I totally respect someone having a personal epiphany of sorts, having a spiritual discovery of their own. But I don't think that organized religion really is that personal.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 02:03 |
rileydog22 wrote:
Well, that's the thing. I totally respect someone having a personal epiphany of sorts, having a spiritual discovery of their own. But I don't think that organized religion really is that personal. |
If you believe an organized religion is the truth...then it's a personal choice,
Some people may create their own cult and others can find the truth in a religion 2,000 years old and with 1.5 billion believers, nobody can tell us it's wriong as we don't tell people atheism or agnosticism is wrong.
Iván
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 02:10 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
rileydog22 wrote:
Well, that's the thing. I totally respect someone having a personal epiphany of sorts, having a spiritual discovery of their own. But I don't think that organized religion really is that personal. |
If you believe an organized religion is the truth...then it's a personal choice,
Some people may create their own cult and others can find the truth in a religion 2,000 years old and with 1.5 billion believers, nobody can tell us it's wriong as we don't tell people atheism or agnosticism is wrong.
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Maybe YOU don't, but there's an awful lot that do. I get a pretty good amount of crap from some Christian buddies of mine.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 02:23 |
rileydog22 wrote:
Maybe YOU don't, but there's an awful lot that do. I get a pretty good amount of crap from some Christian buddies of mine.
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Then you are judging all religious people for your buddies, who may be fundamentalists.
Your problem is with your friends not with organized religion.
I'm against any form of fanatism, fundamentalism or sectarism, I believe reliigion must be open for everybody and most religious people do.
Tell your buddies to go to hell or ignore them as I do with everybody who speaks crap about my beliefs, live and let live, don't be as sectarian as they are, you should teach to be tolerant with your behaviour.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 08 2007 at 02:24
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Dim
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 02:54 |
darqdean wrote:
schizoid_man77 wrote:
On the argument about the religion, I dont understand why some idiots would make an anti christian faith anyway, just to upset us christians? |
Why would they do that? Nobody has ever created an anti-christian faith - that just doesn't make sense - you cannot make a religion about being against something and honestly, no one would bother doing it just to upset christians. |
Wow, that's one of the dumbest things I've read on this topic yet!
Satanism is COMPLETELY against christianity! Thats just naive not to think that!
POLAR OPPOSITES!
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