Political discussion thread

Religion  =/=  Politics

Choose your words carefully.

I am having a religious experience right now I think.  It's a vision, a powerful vision of an admin swooping down on his flaming chariot and smiting this thread. 

so... what do you all think about the "dont ask dont tell" polocy in the US armed forces, because personally I think it is a load of bull.

Proletariat wrote: so... what do you all think about the "dont ask dont tell" polocy in the US armed forces, because personally I think it is a load of bull.

Proletariat wrote: so... what do you all think about the "dont ask dont tell" polocy in the US armed forces, because personally I think it is a load of bull.

It's also because these kind of crimes can get "support" from bigots or group of "radicals" or stuff..... it's not that a man killing a homosexual is worse than a man killing a heterosexual.... is that while the second action may have had private reasons, the first one (if that's the case, of course; it may also have its origin in some private matter) is sometimes used by the perpetrator as kind of propaganda to try to show the rest of the idiots that think like him that he's actually not such a big loser after all, and that the responsibles for all of mankind problems (actually, in reality, for all the killer's complexes, traumas and shortcomings) are the different-kind of people...

Equality 7-2521 wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: I'm going to try to stay out of any general homosexuality discussion but I'm against Hate Crime legislation in all its mediums. To say that a murder is somehow worse because its racially, sexually, or religiously biased is preposterous to me. Murder because you dislike the color of someone's skin or murder because you want to see someone die, or murder because someone's life is inconvienent to you is all just as evil in my eyes. The idea here is to place blame on those who make spark the actions of a Hate Crime.  It's not so much about making the crime worse, it's pointing to its origins.   I was speaking about Hate Crimes in general with the mandatory extra 5 year sentence for being a hate crime.   I don't agree with this particular legislation or many others like it. I feel in todays society we feel the need to place blame too much. We do this and take away the potency of actions by believing they were caused by something.   The minister has a strong point. He's just preaching against a behavoir he finds immoral and that is well within his rights. Just because some overzealous bigots take it too far and resort to murder he should not be blamed.   This is a much different case than if he were actively preaching that homosexuals must be punished for their behavoir. That of course is not protected speach and is punishable behavoir. To not realize this difference though is to say radical imams saying to slit infidels throats and preachers saying homosexual behavoir is wrong are of the same coin which they obviously are not. One preaches violence, the other preaches against engaging in the behavoir yourself and perhaps taking legislative means to prevent it.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: So a preacher who preaches against violence, discrimination, and abuse should be held accountable for murder if one of his congregation takes it upon himself to kill a homosexual just becauase the preacher has said that homosexual actions are immoral.

The T wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: I'm going to try to stay out of any general homosexuality discussion but I'm against Hate Crime legislation in all its mediums. To say that a murder is somehow worse because its racially, sexually, or religiously biased is preposterous to me. Murder because you dislike the color of someone's skin or murder because you want to see someone die, or murder because someone's life is inconvienent to you is all just as evil in my eyes.   The idea here is to place blame on those who make spark the actions of a Hate Crime.  It's not so much about making the crime worse, it's pointing to its origins.       I was speaking about Hate Crimes in general with the mandatory extra 5 year sentence for being a hate crime.   I don't agree with this particular legislation or many others like it. I feel in todays society we feel the need to place blame too much. We do this and take away the potency of actions by believing they were caused by something.  Sometimes they are caused by something... and to PREVENT more of the same events from happening, we can attack the sources....that's why these kind of crimes get this treatment... We already have legislation to attack people who preach and incite violence. This is superflous and will end up with innocent people getting jailed for preaching non-violence that others take to violence. It's like holding Dr. King responsible crimes committed in the name of "Black Power"    The minister has a strong point. He's just preaching against a behavoir he finds immoral and that is well within his rights. Just because some overzealous bigots take it too far and resort to murder he should not be blamed.  The minsiter as a "man of God" should know better and only, if he really has to, talk about the act as something sinful... but when he condemns the act as like if it was the worst thing ever, bigidiots are likely to react... they usually don't understand english but the most in-your-face one, you know... I dont know exactly what you mean. The minister has a duty to preach it as he has a duty to preach against all sinful behavoir. We can't outlaw talking about things just because some people like murder and find excuses for them.   This is a much different case than if he were actively preaching that homosexuals must be punished for their behavoir. That of course is not protected speach and is punishable behavoir. To not realize this difference though is to say radical imams saying to slit infidels throats and preachers saying homosexual behavoir is wrong are of the same coin which they obviously are not. One preaches violence, the other preaches against engaging in the behavoir yourself and perhaps taking legislative means to prevent it.  In this we agree. Radical imams preach hate... The prist preaches intolerance... but won't intolerance lead to hate???? No. Parents teach their kids that smoking is wrong and they shouldn't do it. Kids don't grow up hating and killing people lighting up a cig.

Syzygy wrote: Off on a slight but I think relevant tangent...   A few weeks ago me and Mrs Syzygy watched part of London's Gay Pride procession. Among the first few groups taking part were the Metropolitan Police, the army, the navy, the RAF and 'here, queer and don't drink beer' London's gay muslims.   There are times when I'm proud to be British, and that was one of them.