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StyLaZyn 
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 Posted: August 07 2007 at 12:58 |
 Equality 7-2521 wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Who wouldn't trade thousands of American lives in a ground invasion of Japan for no nuclear weapons? Of course, they probably would have been discovered anyway. Science, is clearly not always the savior of mankind. |
I wouldn't.
It's strange to me that Japan has accepted the bombing themselves, because they understood their total war concept and what it meant. Then we have the U.S. eaten up with guilt three generations later. |
I find it ironic. The Japanese own us in more ways than one. And I was once told that they own half the Real Estate in the state of Hawaii. I've love to find the stat of how much the Japanese owns our land and business.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:00 |
Proletariat wrote:
I think the reason that you cant understand me Equality with numbers is that you view yourself as an american, I dont I am a citizen of the world, my views are global. |
"Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world, than the pride that divides when a colorful flag is unfurled." -Neil Peart
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:06 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Good. In a few weeks I'd have U.S. casualties in Iraq cut to nothing. I hope they call me for the job. |
Really? And how do you propose that is accomplished? Bring them back home?
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Proletariat
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Joined: March 30 2007
Location: United States
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:08 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Good. In a few weeks I'd have U.S. casualties in Iraq cut to nothing. I hope they call me for the job. |
Really? And how do you propose that is accomplished? Bring them back home?
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I get it now, your a Monroe doctrine isolationist. well, that is a respectable philosophy at least
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StyLaZyn
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Joined: November 22 2005
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:09 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Good. In a few weeks I'd have U.S. casualties in Iraq cut to nothing. I hope they call me for the job. |
Really? And how do you propose that is accomplished? Bring them back home?
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Well that would not bring the praise of the current killers of the Admin.
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:11 |
Proletariat wrote:
I think the reason that you cant understand me Equality with numbers is that you view yourself as an american, I dont I am a citizen of the world, my views are global. |
Citizens of the world generally like being entitled to the rights and pleasures of a U.S. citizens without bearing any of the responsibility of it. America is not the global police or Santa Claus. We can't be expected to take every country and citizen of the world and make everything beautiful and everybody happy. We have a duty, laid out by our constitution, to do the best possible for our citizens. In return our citizens do the best we can for the country. Without that the social contract breaks down and we can't really say we're a nation when we have people who are global citizens and not American citizens.
When we start to act like a global country, as we already have. The republic (I use the term carefully refering to America these days) will crumble and we won't be in a position to help anyone let alone ourselves.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:13 |
Proletariat wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Good. In a few weeks I'd have U.S. casualties in Iraq cut to nothing. I hope they call me for the job. |
Really? And how do you propose that is accomplished? Bring them back home?
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Yes |
I get it now, your a Monroe doctrine isolationist. well, that is a respectable philosophy at least |
If it's isolationalist to not invade countries that are of absolutely no threat to our own, overthrow the government and install one of our liking, and establish a military presence, then yes I guess I'm an isolationist.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Proletariat
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Joined: March 30 2007
Location: United States
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Points: 1882
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:14 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
I think the reason that you cant understand me Equality with numbers is that you view yourself as an american, I dont I am a citizen of the world, my views are global. |
Citizens of the world generally like being entitled to the rights and pleasures of a U.S. citizens without bearing any of the responsibility of it. America is not the global police or Santa Claus. We can't be expected to take every country and citizen of the world and make everything beautiful and everybody happy. We have a duty, laid out by our constitution, to do the best possible for our citizens. In return our citizens do the best we can for the country. Without that the social contract breaks down and we can't really say we're a nation when we have people who are global citizens and not American citizens.
When we start to act like a global country, as we already have. The republic (I use the term carefully refering to America these days) will crumble and we won't be in a position to help anyone let alone ourselves. |
As soon as I get a chance I hope to start a mission in another country, I don't want rights or pleasures I want to do the right thing. I cant go yet cuz' im a bit under age.
Again I respect your position, there is no way to prove one way or another, your isolationism makes as much sence as my global citezenship does.
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:15 |
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We say we are citizens of a country, but we act only for ourselves most of the time.
We say we are citizens of the world, but we act only for ourselves most of the time.
If you ask me, we're citizens of only ourselves.
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Proletariat
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Joined: March 30 2007
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:15 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Good. In a few weeks I'd have U.S. casualties in Iraq cut to nothing. I hope they call me for the job. |
Really? And how do you propose that is accomplished? Bring them back home?
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Yes |
I get it now, your a Monroe doctrine isolationist. well, that is a respectable philosophy at least |
If it's isolationalist to not invade countries that are of absolutely no threat to our own, overthrow the government and install one of our liking, and establish a military presence, then yes I guess I'm an isolationist. |
No its only isolationist when combined with your views against immigration.
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Proletariat
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:16 |
stonebeard wrote:
We say we are citizens of a country, but we act only for ourselves most of the time.
We say we are citizens of the world, but we act only for ourselves most of the time.
If you ask me, we're citizens of only ourselves.
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I personally would like to choose not to
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:19 |
Proletariat wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
I think the reason that you cant understand me Equality with numbers is that you view yourself as an american, I dont I am a citizen of the world, my views are global. |
Citizens of the world generally like being entitled to the rights and pleasures of a U.S. citizens without bearing any of the responsibility of it. America is not the global police or Santa Claus. We can't be expected to take every country and citizen of the world and make everything beautiful and everybody happy. We have a duty, laid out by our constitution, to do the best possible for our citizens. In return our citizens do the best we can for the country. Without that the social contract breaks down and we can't really say we're a nation when we have people who are global citizens and not American citizens.
When we start to act like a global country, as we already have. The republic (I use the term carefully refering to America these days) will crumble and we won't be in a position to help anyone let alone ourselves. |
As soon as I get a chance I hope to start a mission in another country, I don't want rights or pleasures I want to do the right thing. I cant go yet cuz' im a bit under age.
Again I respect your position, there is no way to prove one way or another, your isolationism makes as much sence as my global citezenship does. |
My "isolationism" made this country the greatest the world's ever seen. Your global citizenship ruins countries.
Non-politics, what sort of mission are you referring to.
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thellama73
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Joined: May 29 2006
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:21 |
Proletariat wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
I think the reason that you cant understand me Equality with numbers is that you view yourself as an american, I dont I am a citizen of the world, my views are global. |
Citizens of the world generally like being entitled to the rights and pleasures of a U.S. citizens without bearing any of the responsibility of it. America is not the global police or Santa Claus. We can't be expected to take every country and citizen of the world and make everything beautiful and everybody happy. We have a duty, laid out by our constitution, to do the best possible for our citizens. In return our citizens do the best we can for the country. Without that the social contract breaks down and we can't really say we're a nation when we have people who are global citizens and not American citizens.
When we start to act like a global country, as we already have. The republic (I use the term carefully refering to America these days) will crumble and we won't be in a position to help anyone let alone ourselves. |
As soon as I get a chance I hope to start a mission in another country, I don't want rights or pleasures I want to do the right thing. I cant go yet cuz' im a bit under age.
Again I respect your position, there is no way to prove one way or another, your isolationism makes as much sence as my global citezenship does. |
You don't want rights? I suspect you would care more about them if you lived under a brutal dictator and didn't have any.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:21 |
Proletariat wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Good. In a few weeks I'd have U.S. casualties in Iraq cut to nothing. I hope they call me for the job. |
Really? And how do you propose that is accomplished? Bring them back home?
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Yes |
I get it now, your a Monroe doctrine isolationist. well, that is a respectable philosophy at least |
If it's isolationalist to not invade countries that are of absolutely no threat to our own, overthrow the government and install one of our liking, and establish a military presence, then yes I guess I'm an isolationist. |
No its only isolationist when combined with your views against immigration. |
My views on immigration that we should know who's coming into the country, that it shouldn't be unrestricted, and that immigrants should assimilate?
It seems in your mind that there's nothing inbetween globalist and isolationist.
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Proletariat
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:22 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
I think the reason that you cant understand me Equality with numbers is that you view yourself as an american, I dont I am a citizen of the world, my views are global. |
Citizens of the world generally like being entitled to the rights and pleasures of a U.S. citizens without bearing any of the responsibility of it. America is not the global police or Santa Claus. We can't be expected to take every country and citizen of the world and make everything beautiful and everybody happy. We have a duty, laid out by our constitution, to do the best possible for our citizens. In return our citizens do the best we can for the country. Without that the social contract breaks down and we can't really say we're a nation when we have people who are global citizens and not American citizens.
When we start to act like a global country, as we already have. The republic (I use the term carefully refering to America these days) will crumble and we won't be in a position to help anyone let alone ourselves. |
As soon as I get a chance I hope to start a mission in another country, I don't want rights or pleasures I want to do the right thing. I cant go yet cuz' im a bit under age.
Again I respect your position, there is no way to prove one way or another, your isolationism makes as much sence as my global citezenship does. |
My "isolationism" made this country the greatest the world's ever seen. Your global citizenship ruins countries.
Non-politics, what sort of mission are you referring to. |
See, looking at things from your perspective you are right, i'll give you that. This is the greatest country, it would probably have to give up some of it wealth, but that is not what I am concerned with.
a mission of bringing people out of poverty, to spill myself out in order to help another, the opposite of capitalism and completelly outside of any corrupt organization religion or government.
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:23 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Your global citizenship ruins countries. |
Of course it does, that's the point. The more important question is does it ruin humanity? What are countries but lines drawn, sometimes without regard for the identity of the people living within.
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Proletariat
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:25 |
thellama73 wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Proletariat wrote:
I think the reason that you cant understand me Equality with numbers is that you view yourself as an american, I dont I am a citizen of the world, my views are global. |
Citizens of the world generally like being entitled to the rights and pleasures of a U.S. citizens without bearing any of the responsibility of it. America is not the global police or Santa Claus. We can't be expected to take every country and citizen of the world and make everything beautiful and everybody happy. We have a duty, laid out by our constitution, to do the best possible for our citizens. In return our citizens do the best we can for the country. Without that the social contract breaks down and we can't really say we're a nation when we have people who are global citizens and not American citizens.
When we start to act like a global country, as we already have. The republic (I use the term carefully refering to America these days) will crumble and we won't be in a position to help anyone let alone ourselves. |
As soon as I get a chance I hope to start a mission in another country, I don't want rights or pleasures I want to do the right thing. I cant go yet cuz' im a bit under age.
Again I respect your position, there is no way to prove one way or another, your isolationism makes as much sence as my global citezenship does. |
You don't want rights? I suspect you would care more about them if you lived under a brutal dictator and didn't have any.
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I like them and think evryone should have them but I believe it is every persons responsibility to do what is right no matter what the government will do. If I am killed for saying what is right so be it, if it makes a difference then I didn't die in vain.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:25 |
thellama73 wrote:
You don't want rights? I suspect you would care more about them if you lived under a brutal dictator and didn't have any.
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A great tragedy of the American Public, generally speaking but inclusive of myself. They do not understand what our forefathers went through. Plain and simple, Americans have a very cushy life.
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Proletariat
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:25 |
stonebeard wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Your global citizenship ruins countries. |
Of course it does, that's the point. The more important question is does it ruin humanity? What are countries but lines drawn, sometimes without regard for the identity of the people living within.
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Padraic
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:26 |
Proletariat wrote:
a mission of bringing people out of poverty, to spill myself out in order to help another, the opposite of capitalism and completelly outside of any corrupt organization religion or government. |
This is interesting. Bringing people out of poverty is a noble goal. How do you propose to go about it?
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