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    Posted: July 29 2007 at 15:31
My other threads were supposed to be about discussing lesser-known artists, but they were deemed as suggestion topics, and moved. This one will be for the seekers, and will be for open discussion.

What artist have you always been curious about, but didn't know where to start asking questions? This will be the place. Ask about anyone, and I encourage all who know to join in with what they have to offer. Any information is welcome. History of a band, related projects, fun facts, live experiences, are all things that can paint a good picture.

So to the curious, ask away.

To the initiated, here's a chance to flex some prog muscle.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 15:46
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 15:59
There you go. That's a good one to start with. There should be plenty of people around here to tell you everything you want to know about this band.

PFM stands for Premiata Forneria Marconi. If I remember correctly, they took the name from a local bakery. As is usually the case with longer names, it got reduced to an anagram. It became so familiar that they even started using just the initials on albums.

They were one of the originators of the Italian Progressive movement of the early '70s. They had a lot in common with the British bands (E.L.P, King Crimson, Yes, Genesis), but they also had an element that made them distinctly Italian. They also followed suit, fell into the '80s curse, and released some very poppy music. However, they have bounced back, and are currently recording excellent music again. Their 2006 album, while not sounding much like the '70s material, is one of the best they have ever done.

PFM was my first Introduction to Italian prog, and I'm sure others would agree it is a great place to start. I now have many other Italian bands, but Premiata Forneria Marconi will always have a special place for being the first.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 16:03
Give me an insight of Hectic Watermelon, bitteschön.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 16:40
PFM is an amazingly lush symphonic experience that rivals any of the top English bands in my view.  If you like a modern sound, try "Stati".  If you're a 70s fan try Storia or Per Un Amico.  If you want to see them live try the 2002 DVD live in Japan.  PFM doesn't dissapoint too many prog fans. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 16:58

It's a nice thought Bhikku, but I'm puzzled what you think this thread will offer which the biographies and reviews do not already accomplish.

What am I missing?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 17:18
Uh, how about you explain to me... ISIS
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 19:21
Easy Livin  -- if i get bhikku correctly, he's just trying to breath life into a message board that tends toward idiocy and fandom (as well as that rather uninspiring debate over what "progressive" means)



as for Schizoid Man -- <<disclaimer,:im not a musician, i just like what i hear...>> Isis is one of the forerunning Post-Metal bands; as such it represents an amalgamation in its use of long building arrangements, much in the way of Post-Rock,  but does so with the use of Metal instrumentation and common Metal elements. think moderately slow, meditative, guitar based songs with an emphasis on texture and the utilization of harsh/raspy vocals. thier best album is Panopticon, which is a very addicting album once you get into it, but other good ones are "Oceanic" and "In the Absence of Truth".

but now i have an Isis question... where do they get their album names from, at least for Oceanic and Panopticon. i ask because both terms yield incredible connection to modern history: Panopticon, unless it is mean to simply mean "ass-seeing" as it literally translates to, could be a connection to Jeremy Bentham's prison design, a design that was supposed to subdue the inmate by making them feel as though they are always under observation (hence the meditativeness and angst of the album, perhaps). Oceanic could mean simply that, a sensation of the oceanic, or it could be a reference to Sigmund Freud who, in "civilization and its discontents", rues the absence of such a sensation in his life (again...seems to tie into the meditative angst of the album...)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 19:34
Well prometeius, I personally think that Isis just chooses words that sound cool, kinda like how Tool names their songs.Wink
 
I have recently been wanting to get into the math rock genre, could someone fill me in on Hella and Dan Cabellero.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 19:59
Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

Well prometeius, I personally think that Isis just chooses words that sound cool, kinda like how Tool names their songs.Wink
 
I have recently been wanting to get into the math rock genre, could someone fill me in on Hella and Dan Cabellero.

Personally speaking I don't think both bands are that great for introduction into the genre, but they're one of the best in what they do. From Don Caballero I've only heard their Don Caballero 2 album. It harsh, raw, complex and just plain ugly (in a good way). It has some industrial influences as well in some songs. The thing I like about the genre is that the songs are always moving somewhere. They never have a solid ground (or in this case a time signature) to play in. The same can be said about Hella, but they are lighter and less raw than Don Caballero, but the idea is still present. They're more quirky and listening to it just makes you want to dance like if you where having an epileptic attack. I find Hella more accessible than Don Caballero. The best place to start with them is with their debut, Hold Your Horse Is.

There are other math rock bands that tend to heavier or even softer than these two, but that's for another discussion. Wink

By the way, I highly recommend you check out the band Oxes while searching the genre. Their second album, Oxxxes, is very addicting and one of the albums that made me more interested in the genre.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 20:02
Explain to me....  Versailles.
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But it's made by millionaires who are nearly twice your age"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 20:03
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

Well prometeius, I personally think that Isis just chooses words that sound cool, kinda like how Tool names their songs.Wink
 
I have recently been wanting to get into the math rock genre, could someone fill me in on Hella and Dan Cabellero.

Personally speaking I don't think both bands are that great for introduction into the genre, but they're one of the best in what they do. From Don Caballero I've only heard their Don Caballero 2 album. It harsh, raw, complex and just plain ugly (in a good way). It has some industrial influences as well in some songs. The thing I like about the genre is that the songs are always moving somewhere. They never have a solid ground (or in this case a time signature) to play in. The same can be said about Hella, but they are lighter and less raw than Don Caballero, but the idea is still present. They're more quirky and listening to it just makes you want to dance like if you where having an epileptic attack. I find Hella more accessible than Don Caballero. The best place to start with them is with their debut, Hold Your Horse Is.

There are other math rock bands that tend to heavier or even softer than these two, but that's for another discussion. Wink

By the way, I highly recommend you check out the band Oxes while searching the genre. Their second album, Oxxxes, is very addicting and one of the albums that made me more interested in the genre.

I will definatelly check out Oxes. another question, does Don Caballero sound like Battles at all, I know that the bands are related and I like Battles
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 20:07
Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

Well prometeius, I personally think that Isis just chooses words that sound cool, kinda like how Tool names their songs.Wink
 
I have recently been wanting to get into the math rock genre, could someone fill me in on Hella and Dan Cabellero.

Personally speaking I don't think both bands are that great for introduction into the genre, but they're one of the best in what they do. From Don Caballero I've only heard their Don Caballero 2 album. It harsh, raw, complex and just plain ugly (in a good way). It has some industrial influences as well in some songs. The thing I like about the genre is that the songs are always moving somewhere. They never have a solid ground (or in this case a time signature) to play in. The same can be said about Hella, but they are lighter and less raw than Don Caballero, but the idea is still present. They're more quirky and listening to it just makes you want to dance like if you where having an epileptic attack. I find Hella more accessible than Don Caballero. The best place to start with them is with their debut, Hold Your Horse Is.

There are other math rock bands that tend to heavier or even softer than these two, but that's for another discussion. Wink

By the way, I highly recommend you check out the band Oxes while searching the genre. Their second album, Oxxxes, is very addicting and one of the albums that made me more interested in the genre.

I will definatelly check out Oxes. another question, does Don Caballero sound like Battles at all, I know that the bands are related and I like Battles

From the samples I've heard of Battles they don't sound alike. Battles seemed more colorful while Don Caballero's sound is like black and white. I hope that made sense to you. There's a streamable song from Don Caballero in their band page here in PA so check it out if curious.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 20:14
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Give me an insight of Hectic Watermelon, bitteschön.


Very good jazz/rock fusion...the only album (so far) has Jerry Goodman as a guest on violin...he's on 9 of the tracks. It's mostly an instrumental album (only one song has vocals).

It can be a little hectic in spots (hence the name Hectic Watermelon)...but overall is a great jazz/rock fusion album. And the guitar is the main focus and it is brilliant playing, but can get a bit metal-like (not fully metal but kind of close).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2007 at 23:20
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:



It's a nice thought Bhikku, but I'm puzzled what you think this thread will offer which the biographies and reviews do not already accomplish.


What am I missing?


 



Simply, open discussion. You may get a few answers from reviews, but it's not like getting a direct response to a question, is it? There are also people who have not written reviews that still have some good info. Another thing is response to an opinion. You can't reference another review when reviewing. Here you can respond to an earlier statement.

Hope that clears it up.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 00:07
Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

Well prometeius, I personally think that Isis just chooses words that sound cool, kinda like how Tool names their songs.Wink
 
I have recently been wanting to get into the math rock genre, could someone fill me in on Hella and Dan Cabellero.


 yea, thats what i figured myself (although the Tool jab was unnecessary) but i just really want it to be that they planned it... (Tool would have...)

as for math rock, i suggest you take a trip out to www.epitonic.com and find your way to math rock through the genre section...most every band has a downloadable mp3 and i believe both bands are in there, certainly the Don. (also try Volto Do Mar and The Redneck Manifesto)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 00:24
Great idea HT,  some of us are obsessed with certain bands and have a bit more of information or even know a couple of Prog artists and got some information from them that we could share, but over all this is the chance for some Prog musicians in the Forum to come out and give us some valuable and juicy information.
 
Now is your chance guys, people want to know about you. Hug
 
Iván


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i'd like to know about Maudlin of the Well
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 00:44
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:


Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

Well prometeius, I personally think that Isis just chooses words that sound cool, kinda like how Tool names their songs.Wink
 

I have recently been wanting to get into the math rock genre, could someone fill me in on Hella and Dan Cabellero.
Personally speaking I don't think both bands are that great for introduction into the genre, but they're one of the best in what they do. From Don Caballero I've only heard their Don Caballero 2 album. It harsh, raw, complex and just plain ugly (in a good way). It has some industrial influences as well in some songs. The thing I like about the genre is that the songs are always moving somewhere. They never have a solid ground (or in this case a time signature) to play in. The same can be said about Hella, but they are lighter and less raw than Don Caballero, but the idea is still present. They're more quirky and listening to it just makes you want to dance like if you where having an epileptic attack. I find Hella more accessible than Don Caballero. The best place to start with them is with their debut, Hold Your Horse Is.There are other math rock bands that tend to heavier or even softer than these two, but that's for another discussion. WinkBy the way, I highly recommend you check out the band Oxes while searching the genre. Their second album, Oxxxes, is very addicting and one of the albums that made me more interested in the genre.

I will definatelly check out Oxes. another question, does Don Caballero sound like Battles at all, I know that the bands are related and I like Battles
From the samples I've heard of Battles they don't sound alike. Battles seemed more colorful while Don Caballero's sound is like black and white. I hope that made sense to you. There's a streamable song from Don Caballero in their band page here in PA so check it out if curious.


Oxes s/t album from 2000 is also excellent... and all the Don Cab CDs are worth it; Don Caballero 2, Singles Breaking Up, American Don, World Class Listening Problem-- other great Math Rockers to look into are the Hosemobile, Sweep the Leg Johnny, Sleeping People, Autoclave, June of 44, Maps and Atlases, and the math metal band Dysrhythmia.








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i'd like to know about Maudlin of the Well

Great avant-metal band! They're one of my favorites from the genre if you can tell by my (poorly written) reviews. They have their soft moments and their loud moments, but the soft ones are really soft and the loud ones are full-on-head-banging-loud. These two dynamics in their sound are well mixed and they never seem out of place (well, maybe at first, but you'll get used to it). Bath has more softer songs and it's my personal favorite, although Leaving Your Body Map is as excellent as Bath, but with more heavier songs. I haven't heard their debut thought, but I've been told it isn't as great as their last two. Highly recommended.

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