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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 01:06
I don't care much at all about the top 100, nor think it's a scam or not a result of "thousand of people" sharing their common (in various ways) pleasure for that album. As in: no one is directing the top 100 plot, no one is saying you should like the album within the 100 top, yet the other way around no one should say to all those many people and to all the, mostly, fair rates (that led apparently to such a high presence in the top) that they aren't supposed to like that (aka this thread's aggressive message and purpose).

Just try to find your own prog music, to like it or dislike it.

Strangely, I find Wish You Were Here around the most deserving albums to be in the top 10, top 3 or even the best, along Thick As A Brick and so...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 01:12
Schizoid Man feels that Wish You Were Here is not prog enough, therefore our judgement is flawed.  Lovely. 

Seriously, I stopped caring about the top ten after being on this site for about a week.  No one really gives a crap whether Selling England By The Pound or Close to the Edge or anything else has the highest rating on the site. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 01:14
it all depends on what you mean by progressive, and god knows no one wants to get into that again. (I know I dont)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 01:16
So I here there's this really good band out there, not too popular. They called themselves "Yeah" or wait... no, that wasn't it... Yes... Yes! It was "Yes"! You might have heard of them...  and a few years back they released this little record called "Close to the edge" or something like that... yeah I'd suggest you give it a listen. I think it tops this "Wish you were here" or those "Genesis" albums you were talking about....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 03:22
Originally posted by Arsillus Arsillus wrote:

Talk about the four most haunting notes in music.

 
But there are six notes in the "Aqualung" riff...?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 03:35
Originally posted by The Whistler The Whistler wrote:

Originally posted by Arsillus Arsillus wrote:

Talk about the four most haunting notes in music.

 

But there are six notes in the "Aqualung" riff...?



maybe the other two notes aren't that haunting..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 03:44
Originally posted by toolis toolis wrote:

Originally posted by The Whistler The Whistler wrote:

Originally posted by Arsillus Arsillus wrote:

Talk about the four most haunting notes in music.

 

But there are six notes in the "Aqualung" riff...?



maybe the other two notes aren't that haunting..
 
Ah! Truly you are a man of great wisdom. I wonder if it's NEE NER NEE NER nee nee, or nee ner NEE NER NEE NEE. Or if they're a couple somewhere in the middle, so the riff loses it's hauntingness about halfway through, but regains it...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 05:23
Totally disagree.
 
WYWH is a classic album.
 
It is Prog Rock.
 
It does deserve its position.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 06:01
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

^^ Because it's a top 100 PROG album rating thing. DUH!!!Big%20smile


I'm not going to comment on the rest because I have better things to do, but where exactly did you read that? In my browser the PA homepage says "ProgArchives most popular titles (based on ratings)". That means prog or not prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 10:00
The Top 100 is rubbish because it doesn't have my favourite prog band that you've never heard of at number 1. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 10:09
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

Wish you were here, does not deserve to be in the #2 spot!
 
In fact, I seriously does not belong in the top ten!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
WYWH is a great album, but not a great prog album! A five song album, with only three prog songs, in the #2 spot of the top 100 prog albums of all time is ludicrus! I will not stand for this! Stop this foolishness!
 
It always amazes me that people get so worked up over this to the point of making a thread about it.
 
Don't take it so seriously,it's just a list.I totally ignore them myself.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 10:20
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

[QUOTE=schizoid_man77]
It always amazes me that people get so worked up over this to the point of making a thread about it.


Well we have to get worked up about something! Without hysteria and outrage we are lost!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 10:58
Since the Top 100 is a popularity contest, not so much a measure of true Progressiveness, I don't hold much value in it.
 
While I really enjoy Pink Floyd, calling them Prog is a stretch.  Deep Purple is more Prog than them IMHO, and they are Proto-Prog.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 11:12
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Since the Top 100 is a popularity contest, not so much a measure of true Progressiveness, I don't hold much value in it.
 
While I really enjoy Pink Floyd, calling them Prog is a stretch.  Deep Purple is more Prog than them IMHO, and they are Proto-Prog.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 11:23
[QUOTE=StyLaZyn]Since the Top 100 is a popularity contest, not so much a measure of true Progressiveness, I don't hold much value in it.
 
While I really enjoy Pink Floyd, calling them Prog is a stretch.  Deep Purple is more Prog than them IMHO, and they are Proto-Prog.[/QUOTE] What? If you're judgin Floyd by their first few albums, then sure, but by Meddle and Dark Side they had become fully prog.
 
Who cares what postion WYWH is? Sure, I'd much rather see Dark Side over it, and I'd like for there to be less Genesis in the top 20, but it's based on number of ratings. Sure, that might exclude more obscure bands, but deal with it. The point of the list is to provide n00bs with a good starting place to get acquainted with prog classics. It has no bearing on anyone's life. Why not make a thread where ppl can post and back up their lists of top albums, that is if you don't want to use any of the existing threads devoted to just that.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 11:25
^ I'm gonna have to agree with stylazyn
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 11:33
Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Since the Top 100 is a popularity contest, not so much a measure of true Progressiveness, I don't hold much value in it.
 
While I really enjoy Pink Floyd, calling them Prog is a stretch.  Deep Purple is more Prog than them IMHO, and they are Proto-Prog.
 
What? If you're judgin Floyd by their first few albums, then sure, but by Meddle and Dark Side they had become fully prog.
 
Who cares what postion WYWH is? Sure, I'd much rather see Dark Side over it, and I'd like for there to be less Genesis in the top 20, but it's based on number of ratings. Sure, that might exclude more obscure bands, but deal with it. The point of the list is to provide n00bs with a good starting place to get acquainted with prog classics. It has no bearing on anyone's life. Why not make a thread where ppl can post and back up their lists of top albums, that is if you don't want to use any of the existing threads devoted to just that.
 
Then I motion Deep Purple be moved into Prog.  Deep Purple has played more odd time sigs than PF. From a musicianship point of view, Waters and Mason, while good at what they do, don't do much.  Confused  Deep Purple has great musicians, and I have heard much more complicated material from them collectively, when compared to Floyd.  Keep in mind, this is not a PF dis because I enjoy the music.  I just see a serious disconnect.
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 12:29
I'm sorry. I seemed to have logged on to some spoof prog site on which up is down and black is white and Lewis Carroll is chief moderator.
 
Deep Purple? Prog? Never in a hundred million years!!!!!!!!
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 12:42
My brain is spinning in my head.

I feel like I shouldn't post here because It's just continuing the madness... but I can't seem to help myself.  My fingers are moving by themselves!!!!!!!

The star ratings aren't a rating of how proggy an album is, but rather how 'good' it is overall (which is at least to an extent a matter of taste).  So once an album is on the site, it's fair game for the top 100... it sounds like what you want is a list of the 'most proggy' albums, but that would be quite difficult considering how hard it is to quantify what 'proggy' is.

Besides, it's not worth worrying about.  If someone comes on here thinking to themselves, 'I'm going to get a list of good prog stuff so I can find out if I like it' they aren't only going to buy whatever's in the #2 spot (or #1 for that matter).  They'll probably take a wider sampling of the stuff, and if they don't then they've been very silly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2007 at 12:57
Floyd is a great place to start for anyone interested in prog. listen to all their albums  and you'll see they're Prog with a capital P. Purple are Heavy Rock. No Purple fan at my old school back in the day ever saw themselves as being a member of the prog crowd. What's more, none of us proggers considered Purple to be "our thing", with the possible exception of "Child in Time", which we considered a nice try, but that's all. Keyboards do not a prog band make. 
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