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Rocktopus 
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 Posted: May 30 2007 at 04:54 |
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How many times are you gonna try and use the 'Iron Maiden-trap', Mike?
Ok, so Prog Metal is mainly inspired by Iron Maiden and Metallica, a couple of other metal bands and two-three the biggest prog act of the 70's. That's excactly the reason its not considered nearly as progressive as the original prog-movement by most who knows it well... And why each time when I've streamed a track or two by almost any of the post 70's/PM bands on your playlist, I've been dissapointed.
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Posted: May 30 2007 at 02:49 |
 micky wrote:
they aren't PM.... by most accounts... and they aren't Prog
related enough to merit inclusion here by several who I think undestand
what it is and what the category stands for. TOO many bands have
prog elements in their music.. it is about influence and impact on PROG
in many cases and I am not convinced that their impact was
on the 'prog' side of prog-metal. I think that came from the
classic groups that many PM artists list as direct influences... they
sure as hell didn't influence the metallic side of things 
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Do you think that Iron Maiden had that much of a "prog influence" on prog metal bands either?
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Posted: May 30 2007 at 01:23 |
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micky
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 21:15 |
enteredwinter wrote:
I also voted for the joke option as my way of
voicing "Metallica shouldn't be here", which I believe for reasons I
already explained in the recent "Metallica?" thread in this part of the
forum.
IMO,
the poll should have included an option that said: "Metallica shouldn't
be added to the Archives", instead of the joke option, because not
doing so seems to assume that people generally agree that they should
be added, which is clearly not the case.
In other words, before we decide what section to put them in, shouldn't we decide by vote if
they belong here in the first place? I know that three or four people
have stated their case in the other thread in favor of adding them, but
a vote that measures what the overall sentiment is on this issue would
have been more appropriate at this point. IMHO. Not that the archives
should listen to the majority ... but still I think it would be
valuable input to see where the majority lies.
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voted for the joke option myself... reading the cases for them in
the other thread... not convinced of influence... and seems more
of a case was made that they were in fact PM. Not convinced by
that either.... as Tony said in the other thread. Where is
the best place for them...simple... neither...
they aren't PM.... by most accounts... and they aren't Prog
related enough to merit inclusion here by several who I think undestand
what it is and what the category stands for. TOO many bands have
prog elements in their music.. it is about influence and impact on PROG
in many cases and I am not convinced that their impact was
on the 'prog' side of prog-metal. I think that came from the
classic groups that many PM artists list as direct influences... they
sure as hell didn't influence the metallic side of things
Edited by micky - May 29 2007 at 21:20
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Rocktopus
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 21:05 |
The T wrote:
Why Am I so misunderstood, why... 
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You weren't misunderstood by me. I still wanted to say what I meant by voting for the bad joke option.
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 20:59 |
The T wrote:
This poll is made only for those who think Metallica should be on the archives, as many opinions in the Metallica thread that yours truly started asked for a poll.... So there's no option for "metallica doesn't belong here" as that's matter for discussion in ANOTHER thread....
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Now I'm quoting myself.. what's next, schizophrenia??  ...
This was intended just for discussion about the genre... As I said, there is another thread (quite long) where we discussed if the band deserved to be here or not....
Why Am I so misunderstood, why...
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enteredwinter
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 20:49 |
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I also voted for the joke option as my way of voicing "Metallica shouldn't be here", which I believe for reasons I already explained in the recent "Metallica?" thread in this part of the forum.
IMO, the poll should have included an option that said: "Metallica shouldn't be added to the Archives", instead of the joke option, because not doing so seems to assume that people generally agree that they should be added, which is clearly not the case.
In other words, before we decide what section to put them in, shouldn't we decide by vote if they belong here in the first place? I know that three or four people have stated their case in the other thread in favor of adding them, but a vote that measures what the overall sentiment is on this issue would have been more appropriate at this point. IMHO. Not that the archives should listen to the majority ... but still I think it would be valuable input to see where the majority lies.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 18:47 |
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 17:55 |
laplace wrote:
i can admit that I voted for the joke option because I'd rather Metallica weren't listed here. we are fairly close to having all the mainstream rock and metal touchstones here as it is and I wish the focus wasn't on them.
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I agree 
Edited by Cheesecakemouse - May 29 2007 at 17:55
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laplace
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 14:31 |
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i can admit that I voted for the joke option because I'd rather Metallica weren't listed here. we are fairly close to having all the mainstream rock and metal touchstones here as it is and I wish the focus wasn't on them.
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 14:27 |
I put it as the usual meaningless joke... I'd never thought the last option would be winning!! ....
I guess when you want to discuss something, seriousness has to go all the way...  ....
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Posted: May 29 2007 at 03:39 |
Proletariat wrote:
actually I think that they have more to do with Japanese grundge, you must learn to understand your Asian folk musics Mr.T or you will never be able to fully appretiate metallica for their ethnic influences. |
What's Japanese grundge???
Surely there's no such thing - anyway, it should be obvious that the music is more closely related to Indonesian Gamelans.
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Proletariat
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Posted: May 28 2007 at 19:28 |
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actually I think that they have more to do with Japanese grundge, you must learn to understand your Asian folk musics Mr.T or you will never be able to fully appretiate metallica for their ethnic influences.
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Barla
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Posted: May 28 2007 at 19:14 |
Prog Related. Seems like each time they're closer to be added. 
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Posted: May 28 2007 at 12:51 |
The Folk-Chinese Grunge joke's getting way old already. 
Their Master and Justice albums are prog-metal, but I will vote PR because of the other (less progressive) albums.
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Posted: May 28 2007 at 12:47 |
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Folk-Chinese grunge
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The T
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Posted: May 28 2007 at 12:45 |
Certif1ed wrote:
odd - where did the discussion go? |
To the other thread!! 
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Posted: May 28 2007 at 09:18 |
Folk-Chinese grunge-metal
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Posted: May 28 2007 at 09:04 |
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Related (just for the influences)
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Posted: May 28 2007 at 08:47 |
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odd - where did the discussion go?
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