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    Posted: March 27 2007 at 17:51
HI, folks:
 
I was pleased to see  great brazilian band Mutantes on prog archives, but when I looked at their 1974´s album "Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol"  I noticed that the band´s line up is incomplete since it does not mention Sérgio Dias (guitarrist, songwriter,  singer and  up to that point the only orginal member left). So he should be included as:
 
Sérgio Dias Baptista: All Guitars, sitar, lead vocals.
 
Also the other 3 musicians are cited as guests, while they were really full time members.
 
Thanks for your atention
 
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Thanks, Tarcisio Moura!
 
The line-up for the album in question is updated.
 
By the way, some of Os Mutantes albums lack important information, like lines-up, for examples. Do you have any information on their other albums?
 
And, a question on general erudition -- what does "os" mean in Portuguese? Is it an article?
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HI, Fassbinder:
 
It´s a pleasure to help any time I can, I´ll look at the Mutantes discography. If I see something that I see it needs to be fixed, I´ll tell you. 
 
And "os" is an portuguese equivalent of the article "the" in english. While "the" aplies to both male and female characters, "os" aplies only to males or collectivelly to males plus females. The right article for females is "as". So, if you want to know see:
 
o (the, singular, refers to a specific male. Ex: o homem - the man))
a (the, singular, refers to a specific female. Ex: a mulher - the woman)
os (the, plural, group of two or more males or males and females)
as (the, plural, two  or more females only. For exemple, the 70´s girl only brazilian group, As Frenéticas).
 
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Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Thanks, Tarcisio Moura!
 
The line-up for the album in question is updated.
 
By the way, some of Os Mutantes albums lack important information, like lines-up, for examples. Do you have any information on their other albums?
 
And, a question on general erudition -- what does "os" mean in Portuguese? Is it an article?
 
Hi, Fassbinder:
 
It´s not easy to find informations about who played what in their early albuns, since it was not common at the time to display such information on LP covers (the CD versions did not correct that). But their first LP, Os Mutantes, the mais line up is the one that follows:
 
Rita Lee _ Vocals, effects.
Arnaldo Dias Baptista - Bass, Vocals
Sérgio Dias Baptista_ Guitars, Vocals.
 
According to the book "A Divina Comédia Dos Mutantes" (their only offical biography), it seems that the remaining information already available about their debut album in PA is correct.  
 
I´ll keep on the research and sending the information as soon as I can
 
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Thanks, Tarcísio Moura!
 
1.
If I understand you rightly, I can add the line-up you've posted:
 
- Rita Lee / vocals, effects
- Arnaldo Dias Baptista / bass, vocals
- Sérgio Dias Baptista / guitars, vocals
 
to the entry of the album Os Mutantes (1968), right?
 
2. Thanks in advance for the future possible updates.
 
3. Thanks for the linguistic clarification on Portuguese articles.
 
Eugene


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HI, Eugene:
 
Yes, that is right. And the rest of the credits already in PA about the producer and guests seem to be right.
 
Actually to know exactly who guested on the albums is an exercise of madness, since they often asked friends to help along. For exemple, Dr. Clésar Baptista (father os the brothers Sergio and Arnaldo) appears on Ave Gengis Khan singing in ´russian´ (he sang in portuguese really, but the tape was recorded then playing backwards). The party sounds on Panis Et Circensis are the studio stuff making noises. And so on... But I´ll try to give the most important  information the best I can.  
 
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Hi, Tarcísio!
 
Actually, I've updated the Os Mutantes album. I had some problems with diacritics, but it seems that now it all is sorted out -- you may check it, and, if there are still some errors, tell me.
 
As for the additional information -- any help is appreciated, you know.
 
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HI, Eugene:
 
For the second Mutantes LP, Mutantes (1969), the right line up is:
 
Rita Lee _ Vocals, effects, Theremin.
Arnaldo Dias Baptista _ Bass, vocals, effects
Sérgio Dias Baptista _ Guitars, vocals, effects.
 
As for the guests:
 
Rogério Duprat - Arrangements, electric cello (9)
Ronaldo Leme (Dinho) - Drums
Zé do Rancho and Mariazinha_ Vocals, Brazillian Viola and Accordion (4)
 
About Liminha: although he was a friend of the band long before this LP was out, he was not playing bass with them yet. It is possible that he played brazilian viola on one of their songs in the LP but I could not find any definitly information about it.. So, the mention of him playing in this LP on the Mutantes entry as a guest bassist is not right.
 
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Cheers, Tarcisio!

Changes tomorrow...

...have to go now... Unhappy

Thanks again!
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Well, some things are updated.

Assuming that Ze do Rancho and Mariazinha are two different persons I've created two separate entries for each other.

For Liminha -- I wrote his name with a compromiss solution: "- Liminha / unknown", meaning that his performance was a fact, yet the instrument is (still) unknown.

Now, the main line-up -- I've added the instruments you'd mentioned. Look, however, at the instruments here: http://www.proggnosis.com/MUSIC_DBCDInfo.asp?txtCDID=17179 ;

- A.D. Batista / piano, bass, vocals
- S.D. Batista / guitar, violin, vocals
- Rita Lee / flute, harp, vocals
 
Does this list make a sense? Should those instruments be added? Or some of them should be replaced?
 
Also, pay attention to the spelling of Ba(p)tistas. They are mentioned in PA as "Baptista", and I think it is the right spelling, relying on the fact that you're a native speaker of Portuguese.
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Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Well, some things are updated.

Assuming that Ze do Rancho and Mariazinha are two different persons I've created two separate entries for each other.

For Liminha -- I wrote his name with a compromiss solution: "- Liminha / unknown", meaning that his performance was a fact, yet the instrument is (still) unknown.

Now, the main line-up -- I've added the instruments you'd mentioned. Look, however, at the instruments here: http://www.proggnosis.com/MUSIC_DBCDInfo.asp?txtCDID=17179 ;

- A.D. Batista / piano, bass, vocals
- S.D. Batista / guitar, violin, vocals
- Rita Lee / flute, harp, vocals
 
Does this list make a sense? Should those instruments be added? Or some of them should be replaced?
 
Also, pay attention to the spelling of Ba(p)tistas. They are mentioned in PA as "Baptista", and I think it is the right spelling, relying on the fact that you're a native speaker of Portuguese.
 
 
HI, Eugene:
 
Well, I´m glad you are so interested in giving the readers such an accurate informations. I´ll try my bestLOL.
 
Yes, indeed Zé Do Rancho and Mariazinha are two persons. In fact, they were a famous folk duo, but as long as they don´t mention who played what instrument and they are mentioned as a duo (the band wanted to have a real hillbilly duo in the first part of the song), I thought it was better to leave it that way. Your decide it.
 
About Liminha: I do´t think it´s worth it even to mention him, since no credit was given in the LP (or the CD)  cover. He may have played on one song, but is that information so important? considering that he later became a member of the group it may lead to assumptions he had indeeed played a major role in the album. Well, again, you decide about it.
 
As for the main line up, I believe there are some mistakes:
 
1) Arnaldo only started to play keyboards in The mutantes records from the third album onwards. that´s the reason Liminha was later recruited to the band, for the live shows.
 
2) I never ever heard that Sérgio Dias played the violin. Neither on record or live.
 
3) Rita Lee only started to play the flute in the mid seventies, long after she left the band. She used to play so auto harp on live shows, but I´m unable to say if she did that in the studio (certainly, she never played the classical harp). 
 
All my informations came from their official biography, which has the collaboration of all the former members of the band. Those kind of mistakes are very common, since, before the release of that book, not much was officially written about their recordings. I´m trying to be as close to the real facts as I can, so I rather rely on what is officially published.
 
I´ll send more information about the next albums as soon as I gather all there is about them.
 
Best regards
 
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By the way, some of Os Mutantes albums lack important information, like lines-up, for examples. Do you have any information on their other albums?


Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol

1. Deixe Entrar Um Pouco D'Água No Quintal (5:04)
2. Pitágoras (6:55)
3. Desanuviar (8:08)
4. Eu Só Penso Em Te Ajudar (4:55)
5. Cidadão Da Terra (5:51)
6. O Contrário Do Nada É Nada (2:55)
7. Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol (8:43)

Total Time: 42:31

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Originally posted by Rivertree Rivertree wrote:

Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:


By the way, some of Os Mutantes albums lack important information, like lines-up, for examples. Do you have any information on their other albums?


Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol

1. Deixe Entrar Um Pouco D'Água No Quintal (5:04)
2. Pitágoras (6:55)
3. Desanuviar (8:08)
4. Eu Só Penso Em Te Ajudar (4:55)
5. Cidadão Da Terra (5:51)
6. O Contrário Do Nada É Nada (2:55)
7. Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol (8:43)

Total Time: 42:31

good album  Clap


 
Hi, Rivertree:
 
Yes, I like that album a lot, even though it may lack the anarchistic sense of humor of their earlier effords. It´s very much a straighforward prog of the 70´s, but I loved it when it came out and I still think it  stands up well, after all those years.
 
Cheers
 
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Hi, Eugene:
 
As for the Mutantes third LP, A Divina Comédia Humana ou Ando Meio Desligado (1970), the line up is (as much as I could research):
 
Rita Lee _ Vocals, effects.
Arnaldo Dias Baptista - Vocals, Bass, Organ, Piano, effects.
Sérgio Dias Baptista - Guitars, vocals, voice box.
 
Guests:
 
Ronaldo Leme (Dinho) - Drums
Arnolpho Lima Filho (Liminha) - Bass (2, 4, 6 & 7)
Nana Vasconcelos - Percussion (1, 4)
Raphael Vilardi - backing vocals (6), acoustic guitar (8)
Rogério Duprat - Orchestral arrangements.
 
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Thanks both Uwe and Tarcísio!
 
1. Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol times are updated.
 
2. A Divina Comedia... line-up information is updated.
 
3. Mutantes line-up:
     a) Liminha's credit is deleted (we always can add him back if there will be revealed new facts);
     b) Ze Do Rancho and Mariazinha case will be taken up with the Errors & Omissions Team.
 
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Technicolor

Album name is Tecnicolor according with the cover art

1. Panis Et Circenses (2:13)
2. Bat Macumba (3:19)
3. Virginia (3:25)
4. She's My Shoo Shoo (2:55)
5. I Feel A Little Spaced Out (2:53)
6. Baby (3:39)
7. Tecnicolor (3:57)
8. El Justiciero (3:54)
9. I'm Sorry Baby (2:44)
10. Adeus Maria Fulo (2:42)
11. Le Premier Bonheur Du Jour (2:49)
12. Saravá (3:00)
13. Panis Et Circenses (Reprise) (1:24)

Total Time: 38:54

- Arnolpho Lima Filho / bass
- Rita Lee / keyboards, vocals
- Arnaldo Dias Baptista / keyboards, vocals
- Ronaldo Leme / percussion, drums
- Sérgio Dias Baptista / guitar, vocals


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Originally posted by Rivertree Rivertree wrote:

Technicolor

Album name is Tecnicolor according with the cover art

1. Panis Et Circenses (2:13)
2. Bat Macumba (3:19)
3. Virginia (3:25)
4. She's My Shoo Shoo (2:55)
5. I Feel A Little Spaced Out (2:53)
6. Baby (3:39)
7. Tecnicolor (3:57)
8. El Justiciero (3:54)
9. I'm Sorry Baby (2:44)
10. Adeus Maria Fulo (2:42)
11. Le Premier Bonheur Du Jour (2:49)
12. Saravá (3:00)
13. Panis Et Circenses (Reprise) (1:24)

Total Time: 38:54

- Arnolpho Lima Filho / bass
- Rita Lee / keyboards, vocals
- Arnaldo Dias Baptista / keyboards, vocals
- Ronaldo Leme / percussion, drums
- Sérgio Dias Baptista / guitar, vocals





Hi, Rivertree:

It´s interesting to see the line up for this CD that was released more than 20 years after it was recorded!  The line up, according to my sources, is correct. However, it seems that the label made the mistake to include Rita Lee as playing keyboards. At that time she was mainly a singer and it´s unlikely that  she ever played anything more than the occasional percussion up to then.

Anyway, thanks for the help to fulfill so many gaps in their discography.

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Ok, but what to do with this CD/DVD release?
 
 
It's official: Mutantes Ao Vivo - Barbican 2006
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Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Ok, but what to do with this CD/DVD release?
 
 
It's official: Mutantes Ao Vivo - Barbican 2006



HI, Guigo:

How are you? This DVD/CD is quite controvertial, isn´t it? I did not see it yet, just saw one of their numbers on TV. It´s valid, I think. At least the two brothers are on board. But I don´t think that magic can be capture again. What do you think? Obviously it has to be included in their discography.

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Hi, Tarcisio!
 
IMO it shall be added (even being controvertial). The matter is I did not find any information in English to make available here to the Discographies Team.
 
I may be heretic now but considering the flamboyant career of Rita Lee in the last 30 years I'm tasting wholeheartedly this return, even with Zelia Duncan in the vocals. Well, I like Duncan's solo works much more than Lee's. Smile 
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