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andrea 
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Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2071 |
 Topic: Italian Prog For Beginners - ReloadedPosted: September 29 2008 at 17:19 |
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Fine!
Just let me know where you're goingo to post it...
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: September 25 2008 at 17:27 |
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Andrea:
My friend i have already the spanish version of your essay i you want to see before we post send me a PM
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andrea
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Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2071 |
Posted: July 08 2008 at 13:51 |
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JANUS Here you can find a very short video of Janus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOQPAsLnld4 Intersting albums for collectors, but the sound quality is very far from perfect Info about Janus from Italianprog.com: Created by Mario Ladich along with ex-Nuovo Canto Popolare singer/guitarist Fabio Torriero, Janus were formed in Rome in COMPAGNIA DELL’ANELLO Here you can find the link to the official website of http://www.compagniadellanello.net/ The short samples on the official website and the very low quality video that you can find on youtube do not really give an idea of their music... Especially their first album “Terra di Thule” is not bad, although very far from the level of Italian prog masters like PFM, Le Orme or BMS Anyway here you can find the links for some decents youtube videos:
Info about Active in Padova since 1974 with various line-ups, in 1977 the band became Edited by andrea - April 22 2009 at 14:24 |
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: July 08 2008 at 12:56 |
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Andrea, yesterday i read again your article and see this:
"Actually, there were also bands with political tendencies openly for the right wing, like Janus or La Compagnia dell’Anello, but they didn’t have any commercial impact at all and they had to operate in almost “clandestine conditions”".
Did you hear those bands?
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: July 07 2008 at 18:00 |
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ok Andrea thanks a lot, i already see this in that page too,
thanks and i will PM when i have ready the traslation.
Cheers
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andrea
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Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2071 |
Posted: July 07 2008 at 16:34 |
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Yes, of course... And I’m curious to read it! If it can help you, an Italian version of the article has been published in four parts on the Italian prog site movimentiprog.net Here you can find the links: Part I Part II Part III Part IV |
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: July 07 2008 at 16:02 |
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Andrea your article is great!!!! can i traslate into spanish my mother tongue?
Thanks this is solid gold.
Alberto
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Finnforest
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Posted: March 21 2008 at 10:14 |
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Fabulous work for the Italian Prog genre, Andrea, many many thanks for your efforts.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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micky
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 15:33 |
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also while not directly relating to RPI but to what I would do to the site.. which is blow the whole damn existing sub-genre system to hell...
'The main contribuation of Continental bands was to bring national characteristics to bear on the idiom (progressive rock)' he then uses Prog Andaluz as an example which could... or should be a sub-genre here if... hahahha... we go sub-genre crazy here. Edited by micky - April 03 2007 at 15:34 |
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micky
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 15:31 |
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while taking a break...from things Art Rock
 ... I thumbed through that book Andrea.. and came to one page on Italian prog. What he lacked in brevity...he said with clarity 'Italian bands introduced an emphasis on lyricism, vocal effusiveness, and melodrama (OH YEAH hahahha) that often differentiates them from their English colleagues' |
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micky
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 12:08 |
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exactly.. it really can't be seperated... that whole book says nothing to what you all dealt with and experienced in Italy ...or Germany for that matter that directly influenced the prog movements in those two countries. That book is a complete 'anglo-centric' version of prog. Edited by micky - April 03 2007 at 12:08 |
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andrea
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Posted: April 02 2007 at 17:12 |
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I see... Well, I will try to contribute...
I just think that the best place where try to explain and describe music and lyrics is in the reviews of the albums rather than in another blog... Anyway in RPI is almost impossible to separate music and its "social connections"...
Just a few examples:
As for the book, I like the author's approach but I haven't finished it yet... Edited by andrea - April 02 2007 at 17:41 |
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micky
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Posted: April 02 2007 at 15:27 |
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I've read that...
. Have you read the whole book.. .the idiot thinks that all prog can be explained as a function of English culture and the upper society hahahhahha. look for a PM from me Andrea...maybe I can make what we are doing more clear.... |
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andrea
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Posted: April 02 2007 at 15:21 |
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Sorry, I can’t catch what do you mean... Just some quotes from the book “Rocking the Classics – English Progressive Rock and the Counterculture” by Edward Macan... First, no music exists outside any society... Second, if no music can really be asocial, no music can be “timeless” either... Finally, the European approach to musical analysis not only neglects the relationship between music and audience by concentrating exclusively on the sounds themselves, but it also limits itself to those elements (harmony, melody, meter and structural organization) which the European notational system can accurately convey... As a result of its insistence upon the “objective” existence of music in some sort of ideal world outside time and society, traditional musicology has tended to isolate the music it attempts to illuminate from the realm of everyday experience. As a result, it has increasingly become a hermetic pursuit of no interest to anyone but other musicologists, and has had difficulty in engaging issues that are truly meaningful to contemporary society... Music exists as a form of communication between people of a certain time and, most often, a certain place... Analyzing the sounds should not be an end in itself. The ultimate goal of musicology, in my view, should be to document the relationship between music and society, because people do not exist for music: music exists for people. I felt that only through reconnecting music to real people in specific times and places could musicology connect with society at large, engage it in a symbiotic dialogue, and thus avoid the death by social irrelevance to which a continued reliance on unexamined positivism will surely condemn it... Dear Micky, I fear that you’re on the wrong way... |
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micky
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Posted: April 02 2007 at 08:27 |
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just an update.. a second part ... entry if you will.. is being worked on.
Andrea P. did a stellar job with historical basis of RPI, next up is the musical basis of it. Anyone who has any thoughts can PM me, I know there are many here who have quite a knowledge of RPI beyond the big 4. |
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micky
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Posted: March 27 2007 at 03:16 |
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I know... I think I missed one of their shows here in Rome by a week or two  . At least we can catch Le Orme  |
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andrea
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Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2071 |
Posted: March 14 2007 at 14:09 |
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^^^^ Thank you for the feedback
Garion81, I don't think PFM are reluctant to play in the USA... Probably it's just a problem of management and budget... Anyway in this period they are touring in Italy and they're still a great band!
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Garion81
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Posted: March 13 2007 at 19:32 |
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"However, also some progressive fans would deserve to be put on the Index because they’re too “nostalgic” and bound exclusively to the bands of the golden era while they don’t pay enough attention to the new bands, as an emerging band, Taproban, remark in an interview: - It’s the world of progressive rock that is indifferent towards itself. "
Very good article Andrea. I am copying this statement because this is not just true in Italy but everywhere in the world.
I also have a question; a band like PFM still has followers in the USA but they seem very reluctant to play here (2005 at the Nearfest Legends Pre Show is a big exception) What is their reasoning for not touring here?
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markl
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Posted: March 02 2007 at 22:08 |
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 nice article great job !!
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micky
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Posted: February 25 2007 at 19:48 |
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It really was... it was something I took a stab at early on but without knowing the language well enough to read source materials.. Andrea P took it over.. good thing as well...I couldn't have done a quarter the job Andrea did. |
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