The Atheist Thread

progismylife wrote: Okay I goofed up. Oops. EDIT: Actually I take that back.In America pot smoking is immoral because it is against the law. You should follow the laws unless they are against Christianity, like helping the Jews was illegal during the nazi period in Germany. The bible doesn't have anything against the action itself but if the government you live in says it is illegal then don't do it.

If the government isn't telling you to do something that you think is immoral, than you should do it.  No point in opposing the government just for the sake of it, to prove your importance or something.  If everybody totally ignored laws for no reason other than to rebel against the government, we'd have total anarchy, and please, nobody tell me that would be a good thing.  In the case of smoking marijuana, do what the government tells you, it's a good idea not to smoke it anyway, because people that are high do stupid things, and kill themselves, or worse, other people.

Geck0 wrote: So Bush, a born again Christian, can somehow get away with lying to his nation (and probably to himself too) and it's all fine and dandy to you?  The same applies to Blair, by the way.The smug gits.

    
No that is not fine. THe rulers still have to submit to God. He is the one who set them up and he can bring htem down. Like Nebuchanezzer in the Old Testament. God gave him authority and power but when He took the focus from God and put it on himself God made him like an animal for 7 years. God does not ignore the ruler's sins.

progismylife wrote: Geck0 wrote: So Bush, a born again Christian, can somehow get away with lying to his nation (and probably to himself too) and it's all fine and dandy to you?  The same applies to Blair, by the way.The smug gits.      No that is not fine. THe rulers still have to submit to God. He is the one who set them up and he can bring htem down. Like Nebuchanezzer in the Old Testament. God gave him authority and power but when He took the focus from God and put it on himself God made him like an animal for 7 years. God does not ignore the ruler's sins.

So what was God doing when Hitler was around?  He was minding his own business, and allowing us to sort out our own problems.  I would like to think that God doesn't interfere in our lives as much as you seem to believe.


Edited by Sasquamo - December 30 2006 at 13:08

OK, then. How about burning our your eyes to complete your journey into blindness?

stonebeard wrote: OK, then. How about burning our your eyes to complete your journey into blindness?

    
Show me my errors and I will take them back as being foolish and stupid. But not having any evidence to the contrary I don't understand you.

progismylife wrote: stonebeard wrote: OK, then. How about burning our your eyes to complete your journey into blindness?      Show me my errors and I will take them back as being foolish and stupid. But not having any evidence to the contrary I don't understand you.

Quite right, Stonie.

I never said Nebuchunezzar didn't exist.  However, sources back then weren't that reliable (the same goes for the bible, which was written years after the events that apparently took place) and so the things that happened to him (if they did happen) could be interpreted incorrectly.

People think King Arthur existed (maybe he did) and if he did, I doubt all the things associated with him happened.

It's called folklore.  The majority of the bible is indeed just that.


Edited by Geck0 - December 30 2006 at 13:20

Geck0 wrote: Quite right, Stonie. I never said Nebuchunezzar didn't exist.  However, sources back then weren't that reliable (the same goes for the bible, which was written years after the events that apparently took place) and so the thing that happened to him (if they did happen) could be interpreted incorrectly. People think King Arthur existed (maybe he did) and if he did, I doubt all the things associated with him happened. It's called folklore.  The majority of the bible is indeed just that.

Yes.  Many people, both non-believers and believers get so wrapped up about whether the events in the Bible happened or not that the real purpose of the Bible flies by them.  Whether the events described really happened or not is totally irrelevant, it is the message conveyed by those events that really matters.  All the gospels tell different versions of the story of the birth of Jesus, but we get the deep message anyway.  I don't take for truth a lot of the stuff found in the Old Testament, and the Book of Revelations is not truth to me either, but that doesn't mean I find reading those books to be useless.  I do, however, take the events of Jesus's life literally.  The bottom line is, a lot of the Bible is either folklore or written in metaphor, but the message is still there.

progismylife wrote: stonebeard wrote: progismylife wrote: stonebeard wrote: OK, then. How about burning our your eyes to complete your journey into blindness?       Show me my errors and I will take them back as being foolish and stupid. But not having any evidence to the contrary I don't understand you.   The only error I see in your arguement is, from what I've seen so far, is taking everything in The Bible as fact and seemingly having the Bible as the end-all resource on all aspects on humanly existence. the Bible is a very old book, as everyone knows. And id does not cover nor relate to ever aspect of modern-day existence.      Then do not come to me with arguments if you do not want to hear from the Bible. I regard it as the truth. Do not ask for an argument if you take away the source of the argument.