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Points: 5502 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2006 at 00:16
Originally posted by ResidentAlien ResidentAlien wrote:

Verses 22-27. And when men shall quarrel, and shall strike a pregnant woman, and her births go forth, and harm is nor done, with fining he shall be fined, as the woman‘s master shall lay upon him; and he shall give according to the judges. And if harm is done, then thou shalt give soul for soul, eye for eye tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, blow for blow. And when a man shall smite the eye of his manservant, or the eye of his maidservant, and shall destroy it; he shall let him go free for his eye. And if he shall knock out his manservant’s tooth, or his maidservant‘s tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth.

By the by, I'm an atheist. Wink  But the Bible says what it says... punishment should be equal saith the "good book."

 
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Points: 441 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2006 at 00:19
Hate to quote Wikipedia... but I really don't feel like finding a better source right now...

"Most Christian scholars and commentators have agreed that such an interpretation is a misunderstanding of this section of Matthew. The "Expounding of the Law" includes a series of six sayings in similar format, known as the "antitheses". In each of them Jesus quotes the provisions of the Jewish Law without criticism - indeed, the passage is prefaced by a ringing endorsement of the Law as whole. However he then calls on his followers to go further than the Law demands, in order to "Be perfect". It seems clear Jesus was not criticising the law, but calling on his followers not only to refrain from the abuses the Law condemns, but to go to the opposite extreme by exercising forgiveness and love — even when one has a just claim to vengeance."
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Points: 5502 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2006 at 00:32
Originally posted by ResidentAlien ResidentAlien wrote:

Hate to quote Wikipedia... but I really don't feel like finding a better source right now...

"Most Christian scholars and commentators have agreed that such an interpretation is a misunderstanding of this section of Matthew. The "Expounding of the Law" includes a series of six sayings in similar format, known as the "antitheses". In each of them Jesus quotes the provisions of the Jewish Law without criticism - indeed, the passage is prefaced by a ringing endorsement of the Law as whole. However he then calls on his followers to go further than the Law demands, in order to "Be perfect". It seems clear Jesus was not criticising the law, but calling on his followers not only to refrain from the abuses the Law condemns, but to go to the opposite extreme by exercising forgiveness and love — even when one has a just claim to vengeance."


 
And thus claiming that the law was a past thing, replacing it with a new law, and a new interpretation. Leaving intact the previous notion, and keeping the people who lived within and following that law prior to his arrival within his kingdom. The old law didn't count anymore as he was there to replace the old believe and the old law with a new commitment from God to men to accept jesus's sacrifice to fulfill the prophecy and allowing people to follow into the Kingdom Of heaven.
 
or something like that.
 
 
jesus's Crusifixion was still the fulfillment according to the Old law, for indeed he didn't invalidated them, he re-wrote them and his death sealed the new pact, within the confines of the old-pact (old testament).
 


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I personally don’t think killing one, already subdued person will solve anything.

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here we go again with the often used Bible which is seriously out of date....
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Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:

here we go again with the often used Bible which is seriously out of date....
 
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Saddam's gone.
WHEN WILL BE BUSH'S EXECUTION?
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Originally posted by Witchwoodhermit Witchwoodhermit wrote:

Saddam's gone.
WHEN WILL BE BUSH'S EXECUTION?


Gotta love the fractured English.  Really makes you look intelligent.  "We dun-did president should kill!"


But yeah... what you were *trying* to say was just as ignorant.
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Just remembering that English is the second (or third) language of more than 50% of PA members. The common sense adopted by old fellows is not to take in consideration minor errors done by "foreigners". Thanks and let's keep civil the thread!
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He's Canadian.  Otherwise I wouldn't have said anything.  And I said it to make a point.
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Take a telling RA.
 
English is not the first language of all Canadians.
 
Calling other memebrs unintelligent or ignorant is out of line, end of story.
 
Moving on...
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2006 at 06:29
This thread has,for the most part,went way off topic.

I am getting tired of every thread in this section getting turned into another VR.



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Like Scapler, I have mixed feelings about Saddam's execution. It is good that he was taken out of power, but I feel that execution was not the right answer. I think a life term in prison would have been better. It would not cause as much outrage as killing him.
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Points: 5085 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2006 at 06:36
and there's still some of his men out there that maybe will do some more crazy stuff as revenge ?
The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us.
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Points: 21596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2006 at 06:56
My opinion on the subject:

I think that any execution is a sad event and should not be cause for celebration. Independently of whether you support capital punishment or not, it's a fact that any punishment won't bring back those who he had killed. So, rather than celebrating his death, we should be mourning the victims.

@tuxon: there is no such thing as pure black and pure white in these matters IMO.
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2006 at 06:58
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

I thought it was about Saddam being excused.
 
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for those unaware. I so oppose to this event, I can hardly control my anger.


I'm with you TUX

An illegal war leading to, by default, an illegal trial, so an illegal execution.
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Points: 15535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2006 at 07:00
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

I thought it was about Saddam being excused.
 

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for those unaware. I so oppose to this event, I can hardly control my anger.
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An illegal war leading to, by default, an illegal trial, so an illegal execution.

    

It isn't a war, its officially military action or some crap like that.
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Mr. Bush surely can sleep well now...
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