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clubsprint
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Topic: Swearing on stage/recording Posted: November 20 2006 at 08:27 |
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G'day all
I was listening to Transatlantic Live in Europe and it's quite awesome. However during a song break
one of the band drops the F word and it just lowered then tone and atmostphere of the CD.
Maybe I'm just getting old and fatherhood has sensitized me to this but surely these guys can express themselves with using profanity. There was a time I would have told myself to F#@% off but now it sort of highlites lack of imagination and ignorance of the language and the audiences sensibilities.
What do you all think?
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Pnoom!
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 08:41 | |
I agree, I think that a large reason why Not Now John is the weakest song on The Final Cut is because it ruins the mood, both the music AND the profanity.
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sleeper
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 09:05 | |
It would only bother me if it as added to the middle of songs, and then only because it could ruin the songs. Otherwise I couldnt care less.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 09:07 | |
It's just a word. Do not fear words.
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Neil
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 09:08 | |
Phil Collins often swore for effect at later Genesis concerts. Nuff said
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 09:13 | |
I have heard those words so often in my lifetime I am just desensitized.It doesn't really bother me.
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Eat_Paris
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 09:19 | |
come on guys..
i know that they play prog (supposedly "intelligent" music).. but all in all they are all just... rockers.... the word doesnt have any meaning anyway... unless they say.. f*k somebody/something... |
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Paradox
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 09:25 | |
Why is that word even offensive? I wonder why certain words are taboo...
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Firepuck
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 09:26 | |
Personally I don't like it. To me these words lack imagination and intelligence.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 09:29 | |
Agree with a lot of comments here. Can only think of two songs where the f words are acceptable - Al Stewart's Bed-sitter Chronicles, and Utopia's Hiroshima. Tool's songs are a nightmare to schedule on a radio station, who's license forbids use of such words.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 09:42 | |
There's a, quite frankly, beautiful moment towards the end of an Absolute Zero song (Stutter Rock, You Said - you can hear the streamed version on their PA page) where the song falls apart a bit and (probably) Pip Pyle just yells from the distance "OH... F*CK IIIIIIT!", smashes the drums and the whole band kicks back into gear for another climactic minute of noise.
Now, call me a heathen, but that track, especialy its closing moments, would be less effective without that deliciously timed piece of swearing. |
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A B Negative
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 10:24 | |
It's all part of our language. There are words which are far more offensive than the F word (and I don't mean the C word).
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Philéas
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 10:25 | |
I don't really mind it, but it's a little contradictory considering the otherwise sophisticated nature of Prog Rock.
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The Letter M
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 10:45 | |
Yeah, I noticed about Phil Collins, because on "The Way We Walk" live CD set, Phil sings "she will f--- up your life" instead of "mess up your life" in Invisible Touch. I thought it was interesting.
As for Portnoy dropping the f-bomb on the Transatlantic live releases, I'm not too surprised because that's pretty much how Mike is, really. And he was right, nothing but epics! -Marc. |
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Tony R
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 10:46 | |
I think the word used in songs is OK in the right context,for example Marillion's "She Chameleon" it is exactly the right word to use.
However as part of stage banter etc..well it doesnt really bother me but it might be embarrassing if in the ear shot of older family members. I remember taking great delight at playing certain parts of Ted Nugent's "Double Live Gonzo" album in front of my dear old granny.... ..."anyone who wants to get mellow can turn around and ge the f*** out of here..." |
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The Hemulen
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 10:51 | |
I really don't agree with this at all. Swearing can be highly sophisticated if used consciously, as one would use any other word. When people resort to swearing due to their own limited vocabulary, then it becomes unsophisticated. I can't think of many examples where this is the case in prog, though. |
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mystic fred
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 12:05 | |
..you should hear some Oasis interviews/gigs !!!
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mystic fred
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 12:06 | |
..you mean like Derek and Clive???
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Bryan
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 12:51 | |
If swearing onstage bothers you, don't go to a Children of Bodom concert. I honestly am pretty sure Alexi Laiho rehearses his banter between songs in an effort to include the F word as many times as humanly possible.
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 13:00 | |
Don't forget the mythical Garden Party line. Fish also cursed a lot during the introductions and his talking to the audience between songs (he was a very explicit speaker) with Marillion (and solo as well), the most notable one usually being Fugazi where before they'd begin he'd say, "this world is f**ked up". |
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