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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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Spot on Peter. In fact the reviewer was invited to re-submit the review stating the same opinions in a more palatable manner.
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Peter ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
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I see your point, Dick, but a "published" review is not a private conversation, and we have certain standards in reviews which must be adhered to. (They are not optional.) There is no such wide-open "free speech" here, just as there is not in newspapers, workplaces, classrooms, magazines, private clubs, etc. A writer must agree to these standards before submitting, so "ignorance of the law" or rejecting our "law" is no excuse.
I agree, though, that one is free to savage even the most widely revered album (and nasty reviews can be funny, and informative), but even so, one must defend one's point of view, and not be blatantly or personally offensive.
I trust our hard-working Mods to enforce our (necessary) rules in a prudent, justifiable fashion. Edited by Peter Rideout - November 07 2006 at 15:08 |
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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In a democracy surely we should support the freedom of speech - even if you totally disagree. The reviewer of the Marillion has spent time considering what to write in his review and some type case against the album, so leave it. If it hurts, so what, we have had the likes of John Peel and Tony Wilson telling us the whole of prog is 'abject dribble', 'bollocks, absolute bollocks', 'irrelevant' and never made any sound case against prog. The number of times I've been told that I like "w**kers' music" have become countless - I simply don't agree with them, and try to get these folk to argue their case. And then our own contributors mindless (IMHO) lambast against punk, and rap etc. ......................
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Cygnus X-2 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 24 2004 Location: Bucketheadland Status: Offline Points: 21342 |
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The Neo Team is used to these sorts of comments.... still... it hurts... ![]() |
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Certif1ed ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
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Nowhere did I attack any band members or a genre of music - or even try to attack the band or its music. I simply stated an opinion about a particular album, then reviewed the music in such a way that explained in detail how I had formed that opinion, making the disclosure of my opinion a fair one - not an attack or cheap insult - making references to identifiable points in the music. You, like anyone else in the entire world, are perfectly welcome to discuss it in the forums any time - that's what they're here for - and I won't run away like some child playing "Knock down Ginger", as was the case here. Edited by Certif1ed - November 05 2006 at 17:30 |
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Ricochet ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
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Cheers.
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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I've removed the Marillion review, and invited the reviewer to submit a new one. I've made it clear to him though that he is quite entitled to his opinion, but he needs to express it in a less aggressive way.
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Ricochet ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 27 2005 Location: Nauru Status: Offline Points: 46301 |
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Actually there are three words you once said yourself: "dull, dull and dull and did I mention it is dull?" ![]() ![]() so, still clenched? ![]() |
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Hatchet, axe and saw ...
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11985 |
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The review is utter bullsh*t with an agenda to attack Fish for whatever reason.
Consider: Marillion like all neo prog are like a bad marriage of overproduced heavy metal and smug allusions to a kind of music not only the band could care less about or understand, but a kind of music people didn't understand who liked this nonsense and this: Neo prog? I'm even growing tired of IQ who I still have to admit I have a soft spot for Contradiction? Hatchet job with no humour at all! |
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Atkingani ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
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Easy Livin' opened this topic specifically for discussions like that... unfortunately the reviewer isn't registered, something I hope to be fixed soon for all reviewers.
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eugene ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: May 30 2005 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 2703 |
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I'd like to see this duel...without taking sides...maybe...
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Certif1ed ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
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If I gave my genuine opinion of that review in the same terms and insulting language, I'd probably be banned - and rightly so.
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Easy Livin' said: "Some editing may be the result. "
This is a Scottish understatement for deleting the review
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Stefanovic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 01 2006 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 287 |
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Indeed, that was a lot of crap from someone who listened a sh*tload of times to the album then spent a sh*tload of time destroying it just for the sake of it... Tell me about counter-productive reviews... It's okay to have harsh opinions about a band, an album, a song... It's okay to write it on the forums but wouldn't time be better used pointing at what you actually like when writing a review?...
Imo, this is just plain provocation...
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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Atkingani and I have it under consideration. Some editing may be the result.
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Certif1ed ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
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I'd like bristolstc to sign up and discuss this in the forums - I'd be happy to set him right
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Certif1ed ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
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I agree entirely. I could rip that apart - but why bother? The insults are there for all to see - they're not even veiled. Insulting language is against the rules, as we all know. It's OK to trash an album you don't like - but you can't just spew out a stream of insults and stand by them as "just my opinion, man". |
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erik neuteboom ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
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Everybody has the right to give his opinion but I have my severe doubts about Bristolstc his review because he spents an awful lot of time to nail an album in a very theatrical agressive and provoking way, this is a bridge too far in my opinion. I am on the brink to nail some of Bristolstc his favorites in the same way but I have just grown up last year
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eugene ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: May 30 2005 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 2703 |
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Be condescending, people. Guy used to listen seriously to this album, and suddenly he realised what a crap it is. This is serious crash of illusion. Illusion is dead, and he feels terrible about it, it's like being robbed of something very precious. It will take time to realise that Hoggarth is no way better than Fish, and we shall have a pleasure (or displeasure) to read another review of the kind (or even worse). Anyway everybody has the right to express his feelings on free forums in free society.
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