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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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The ability of the peacekeeping force to disarm Hezbollah I seriously doubt. Now to be able to control the situation for now I feel they could be pretty sucessful, but Hezbollah will only take the time the peacekeeping force is there to regroup, rearm, and rebuild their infrastructure. Israel is greatly at loss in this situation. Hezbollah accepted the ceasefire for one reason, they were losing and needed time before they were strong enough to defeat Israel. It's a strategy encouraged by the Koran. They will break the ceasefire as soon as they are fit. I even have doubts about this large peacekeeping force promised existing anymore. France is getting cold feet and the rather large deployment of troops they promised is now being withdrawn saying their support will be mostly symbollic. And the idea of having Germans keeping peace between the jews and Hezbollah I think makes everyone at least alittle nervous.
Edit: If the Germans make me a little nervous this makes me geniunely afraid:
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Sorry to resurect this old chesnut..
The ceasfire seems to be holding..for now. The Israeli army is dispondant, the Israeli government under pressure from its people to deliver the goods, and Hezbollah claiming a victory. Well, Israel have failed to disable them, and no doubt they are regrouping and re-arming as we speak. However, this goes to show two things; terrorists can not be defeated in the battlefield, and terrorists dont give a rats arse about their innocent fellow countrymen dying all around them. Will the peacekeeps bring this under control or find themselves locked in guerilla warfare with Hezbollah? The Lebanese army are to be deployed in the south, but is it inevitable they will end up fighting Hezbollah directly? Perhaps this is the idea. Israel will then be able to free up resources to fry the bigger fish in Iran and/or Syria. Just a thought.. |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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^ and they probably wont do that unless seriously provoked. Israel did fly fighter jets over the Syrian leaders residence a few weeks back, but Syria know that it's best to avoid a scrap with Israel if they can. Israel have tried to provoke them, as this would give Israel an excuse to 'wipe Syria off the map' Syria know Israel would kick their arse all round the block, so they'll be trying to keep their heads down.
That said Syria (and Iran) are right behind Hezbollah, so Israel arguably already has the reasons to attack. |
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rushfan6588 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 21 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 202 |
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i think everything will remain under reasonable control unless Syria mobilizes troops...if that happens all hell is gonna break loose
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JrKASperov ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 07 2004 Status: Offline Points: 904 |
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Why didn't you say that when suicide bombers we're killing Israelians every day?
EDIT: Haha, Isra-alians. ![]() Edited by JrKASperov - July 30 2006 at 15:15 |
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pirkka ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 06 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 191 |
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SOMEBODY HAS TO STOP THE UNJUST OR WHATEVER KILLING IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!!!
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Another massacre by Israel. Up to 50 people were killed in strikes on the town of Qana. 20 of the victims were apparently children. According to the UN 600 Lebanese and 51 Israelis have now been killed.
Condoleeza Rice has cancelled her planned trip to Lebanon, as the Lebanese PM has called for an immediate and 'unconditional' ceasefire. BBC Report Edited by Blacksword - July 30 2006 at 04:39 |
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Bob Greece ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
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There's a good analysis of the situation on the BBC today:
This war will never end...
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Bob Greece ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
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I don't think it was ever really about 2 solidiers. It was about getting rid of Hezbollah. Using the kidnappings as an excuse just makes them look ridiculous.
That's right. How can you bomb your way to peace? I can just imagine how angry many Lebanese will feel, particularly those who've losted loved ones. I don't think they'll be in the mood for peace now. Edited by Bob Greece - July 28 2006 at 05:02 |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Yeah, you're right, Bob. Margarat Beckett wasn't happy about Prestwick airport being used to ship bombs to Israel. Blair is once again in Bushs lap, although they are meeting today I believe, and Blair intends to try and pursuade Bush to call for a ceasefire. The only chance of a diplomatic solution is if the entire world isolates the US and Israel, and of course if Hezbollah stops firing rockets into Northern Israel too. It's a two way street, but the double standards of Israel, and the west generally are shameful. |
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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I heard a report of 600 dead in conflict so far. All for 3 soldiers...*shakes head*
Is this supposed to be justified?
Lasting peace my ass! How naive can we be? Ask for a cease-fire now!!! Wasn't there a cease-fire at the time of the kidnappings?!?! Like anything will prevent it from happening again.
As for the US, I say have no involvment at all. I'm sick and tired of this bullsh*t conflict! You want to blow yourselves to pieces? FINE! I'd rather live my life than have it involved in a futile conflict. Whenever you guys feel like dropping this sh*t and joining the 21st century, the western hemisphere is wide open.
Edit: No offense intended to those who might be offended. Thinking out loud.... Edited by stonebeard - July 28 2006 at 04:38 |
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Bob Greece ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
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I don't think the UK supports them. It's just that Tony Blair is so keen to do anything to please Bush.
Yo Blair! Edited by Bob Greece - July 28 2006 at 04:27 |
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Bob Greece ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
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This is ridiculous. UN expresses 'shock and distress' about UN deaths. Of course, it's terrible but what about the hundreds of other people dying. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5222890.stm
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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^ Yes, it's a dreadful situation.
![]() I cant believe the Israeli arrogance - I know there is good and bad on both sides - but to claim the whole world supports them is incredible. The US and the UK support them. Thats all. The rest of the world is opposed to this action. |
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Bob Greece ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
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When I read these stories I just feel despair ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/5218036.stm It makes you want to cry doesn't it? Edited by Bob Greece - July 27 2006 at 10:04 |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Yes, the UN are still there. Two UN peacekeepers were killed by the Israelis this morning (or last night) The Israelis claim it was an accident, but apparently it 'appeared' to be deliberate. Israel does not like the UN, and doesn't want them there. |
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Bob Greece ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
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I never thought of that. But I thought that there are already UN troups in the area. Weren't the UN in Lebanon in the past?
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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A draft would be a nightmare and a very bad move. I'm inclined to think there would be so much opposition in the US even Bush wouldn't go that far..
That said, if the conflict escalates..... ? The Israelis want a NATO peacekeeping force on the Lebanese border. This will conveniently position up to 20,000 foreign troops in the area, and is a shrewd way of pulling other nations into this. Hezbollah will capitlaise on this too, by targetting them. This would lead to more being sent to the region, stretching western military forces to breaking point (if we're not nearly there already). Meanwhile the invisible terrorists will be targetting the US and EU. |
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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I bet part of the reason the response was slow is the we (the US) is piss scared of this whole thing. We are streched so thin around the world, any serious involvement in this conflict would lead to questions of whether or not we would get involved, which would require a draft, which I personally think should be abolished.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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..and of course the worse the terror threat gets for them - and us - the more we will fight back. It's a familiar cycle. The perfect recipe for escalation. |
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