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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2006 at 13:42

The ability of the peacekeeping force to disarm Hezbollah I seriously doubt. Now to be able to control the situation for now I feel they could be pretty sucessful, but Hezbollah will only take the time the peacekeeping force is there to regroup, rearm, and rebuild their infrastructure.  Israel is greatly at loss in this situation. Hezbollah accepted the ceasefire for one reason, they were losing and needed time before they were strong enough to defeat Israel. It's a strategy encouraged by the Koran. They will break the ceasefire as soon as they are fit.

I even have doubts about this large peacekeeping force promised existing anymore. France is getting cold feet and the rather large deployment of troops they promised is now being withdrawn saying their support will be mostly symbollic. And the idea of having Germans keeping peace between the jews and Hezbollah I think makes everyone at least alittle nervous.
 
 
Edit: If the Germans make me a little nervous this makes me geniunely afraid:
 

"Israel says it would be “difficult if not inconceivable” to accept nations which do not recognise its right to exist as part of a UN force in Lebanon.

Israeli UN envoy Dan Gillerman was speaking after Indonesia and Malaysia, which do not recognise Israel, pledged troops for the UN deployment.

Malaysia said Israel should have no say in the make-up of the force."



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2006 at 08:58
Sorry to resurect this old chesnut..

The ceasfire seems to be holding..for now. The Israeli army is dispondant, the Israeli government under pressure from its people to deliver the goods, and Hezbollah claiming a victory. Well, Israel have failed to disable them, and no doubt they are regrouping and re-arming as we speak. However, this goes to show two things; terrorists can not be defeated in the battlefield, and terrorists dont give a rats arse about their innocent fellow countrymen dying all around them.

Will the peacekeeps bring this under control or find themselves locked in guerilla warfare with Hezbollah? The Lebanese army are to be deployed in the south, but is it inevitable they will end up fighting Hezbollah directly? Perhaps this is the idea. Israel will then be able to free up resources to fry the bigger fish in Iran and/or Syria. Just a thought..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2006 at 05:16
^ and they probably wont do that unless seriously provoked. Israel did fly fighter jets over the Syrian leaders residence a few weeks back, but Syria know that it's best to avoid a scrap with Israel if they can. Israel have tried to provoke them, as this would give Israel an excuse to 'wipe Syria off the map' Syria know Israel would kick their arse all round the block, so they'll be trying to keep their heads down.

That said Syria (and Iran) are right behind Hezbollah, so Israel arguably already has the reasons to attack.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2006 at 20:53
i think everything will remain under reasonable control unless Syria mobilizes troops...if that happens all hell is gonna break loose
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2006 at 15:14
Why didn't you say that when suicide bombers we're killing Israelians every day?

EDIT: Haha, Isra-alians.Cool


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2006 at 14:36
SOMEBODY HAS TO STOP THE UNJUST OR WHATEVER KILLING IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!!!
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2006 at 04:39
Another massacre by Israel. Up to 50 people were killed in strikes on the town of Qana. 20 of the victims were apparently children. According to the UN 600 Lebanese and 51 Israelis have now been killed.

Condoleeza Rice has cancelled her planned trip to Lebanon, as the Lebanese PM has called for an immediate and 'unconditional' ceasefire.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 05:10
There's a good analysis of the situation on the BBC today:
 
 
This war will never end...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 04:54
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I heard a report of 600 dead in conflict so far. All for 3 soldiers...*shakes head*
 
 
I don't think it was ever really about 2 solidiers. It was about getting rid of Hezbollah. Using the kidnappings as an excuse just makes them look ridiculous.
 
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

 
Lasting peace my ass! How naive can we be?
 
That's right. How can you bomb your way to peace? I can just imagine how angry many Lebanese will feel, particularly those who've losted loved ones. I don't think they'll be in the mood for peace now.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 04:52
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

The US and the UK support them. 



 

I don't think the UK supports them. It's just that Tony Blair is so keen to do anything to please Bush.

 

Yo Blair!


Yeah, you're right, Bob. Margarat Beckett wasn't happy about Prestwick airport being used to ship bombs to Israel. Blair is once again in Bushs lap, although they are meeting today I believe, and Blair intends to try and pursuade Bush to call for a ceasefire.

The only chance of a diplomatic solution is if the entire world isolates the US and Israel, and of course if Hezbollah stops firing rockets into Northern Israel too. It's a two way street, but the double standards of Israel, and the west generally are shameful.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 04:36
I heard a report of 600 dead in conflict so far. All for 3 soldiers...*shakes head*
 
Is this supposed to be justified?
 
Lasting peace my ass! How naive can we be? Ask for a cease-fire now!!! Wasn't there a cease-fire at the time of the kidnappings?!?! Like anything will prevent it from happening again.
 
As for the US, I say have no involvment at all. I'm sick and tired of this bullsh*t conflict! You want to blow yourselves to pieces? FINE! I'd rather live my life than have it involved in a futile conflict. Whenever you guys feel like dropping this sh*t and joining the 21st century, the western hemisphere is wide open.
 
Edit: No offense intended to those who might be offended. Thinking out loud....


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 04:26
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

The US and the UK support them. 
 
I don't think the UK supports them. It's just that Tony Blair is so keen to do anything to please Bush.
 
Yo Blair!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2006 at 04:13

This is ridiculous. UN expresses 'shock and distress' about UN deaths. Of course, it's terrible but what about the hundreds of other people dying. Wacko

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5222890.stm

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2006 at 11:53
^ Yes, it's a dreadful situation.



I cant believe the Israeli arrogance - I know there is good and bad on both sides - but to claim the whole world supports them is incredible. The US and the UK support them. Thats all. The rest of the world is opposed to this action.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2006 at 10:03
When I read these stories I just feel despair ...
 
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/5218036.stm

 
It makes you want to cry doesn't it?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2006 at 07:24
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

The Israelis want a NATO peacekeeping force on the Lebanese border. This will conveniently position up to 20,000 foreign troops in the area, and is a shrewd way of pulling other nations into this. Hezbollah will capitlaise on this too, by targetting them. This would lead to more being sent to the region, stretching western military forces to breaking point (if we're not nearly there already). Meanwhile the invisible terrorists will be targetting the US and EU.

 

I never thought of that. But I thought that there are already UN troups in the area. Weren't the UN in Lebanon in the past?


Yes, the UN are still there. Two UN peacekeepers were killed by the Israelis this morning (or last night) The Israelis claim it was an accident, but apparently it 'appeared' to be deliberate.

Israel does not like the UN, and doesn't want them there.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2006 at 07:08
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:


The Israelis want a NATO peacekeeping force on the Lebanese border. This will conveniently position up to 20,000 foreign troops in the area, and is a shrewd way of pulling other nations into this. Hezbollah will capitlaise on this too, by targetting them. This would lead to more being sent to the region, stretching western military forces to breaking point (if we're not nearly there already). Meanwhile the invisible terrorists will be targetting the US and EU.
 
I never thought of that. But I thought that there are already UN troups in the area. Weren't the UN in Lebanon in the past?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 16:23
A draft would be a nightmare and a very bad move. I'm inclined to think there would be so much opposition in the US even Bush wouldn't go that far..

That said, if the conflict escalates..... ?

The Israelis want a NATO peacekeeping force on the Lebanese border. This will conveniently position up to 20,000 foreign troops in the area, and is a shrewd way of pulling other nations into this. Hezbollah will capitlaise on this too, by targetting them. This would lead to more being sent to the region, stretching western military forces to breaking point (if we're not nearly there already). Meanwhile the invisible terrorists will be targetting the US and EU.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 12:11
I bet part of the reason the response was slow is the we (the US) is piss scared of this whole thing. We are streched so thin around the world, any serious involvement in this conflict would lead to questions of whether or not we would get involved, which would require a draft, which I personally think should be abolished.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2006 at 09:53
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I guess the US regard this as part of the 'war on terror'     

 

According to the BBC news today, Condoleeza went to Israel to express support not to ask for a ceasefire.

 





Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

However, it seems that Israels current campaign has been ineffective in crushing the terrorists, and has succeeded only in killing civillians. Sadly it will get to a point where so many are radicalised and enraged by the Zionist onslaught, that the terror cycle will be set to worsen for Israel and the west. Not improve. 

 

This was obvious to me. Israel won't get rid of Hizbollah this way. The bombing of Lebanon is just a big recruiting drive for them. What little chance there was for peace in the Middle East has just got a lot lot further away.

    

..and of course the worse the terror threat gets for them - and us - the more we will fight back. It's a familiar cycle. The perfect recipe for escalation.
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