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Points: 3323 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 18:05

boy that stuff will clear the women out of the room!

 

ever listen to Material's Memory Serves? Fred Firth, Bill Laswell, etc one of the better progressive avant garde albums that I have heard, from the early 80's.
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Points: 395 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 18:10
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going to pick up a Art Zoyd album soon, which one do you recommend?
 
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"Phase IV" is my favourite one out of 8 albums of theirs that I have.
 
 
how is  Les Espaces Inquiets, I really like that Ceremonie song
 
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Points: 2703 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 18:26
Originally posted by Aaron Aaron wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

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going to pick up a Art Zoyd album soon, which one do you recommend?
 
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"Phase IV" is my favourite one out of 8 albums of theirs that I have.
 
 
how is  Les Espaces Inquiets, I really like that Ceremonie song
 
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It's very good one and can be treated as direct continuation of Phase IV.
 
Generally they are all not bad except for their latest - it's only noise - could not understand the point of it at all. Also Faust got it's great moments but there are many very dull parts. Otherwise both part of Marathonnerre, Generation Sans Futur, Musique Pour L'Odyssee, and Symphonie Pour Le Jour Ou Bruleront Les Cites are all very good.
 
And I have not heard Berlin and Mariage of Heaven and Hell (free translation from French as far as I can remember).
 
 
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Points: 395 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 18:27
thanks, maybe i'll grab both
 
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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 22:16
Don't give up on Taal, Aaron, just to remind you.  You're missing out on two excellent albums.
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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 01:36

Two questoins/remarks:

Absolute Zero - I have their album Crashing Icons which is a crazy musical journey, and I like it a lot.
Does anyone know if they are still active, cause their site isn't telling much and it has been about 5-6 years since that first release?
 
Another band - BIRDSONGS OF THE MESOZOIC .
I have Petrophonics  and The Iridium Controversy Which I think are very good.
What do you think of Sonic Geology? Is it different than these two mentioned above?  What other albums do you recommend me getting?
 
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Points: 7003 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2006 at 17:21
Sonic Geology is an excellent album, although obviously the music developed and the line up changed between those early recordings and Pterophonics/Iridium Controversy. In my opinion Sonic Geology is probably the most accessible and engaging BOTM CD, although not as fully realised as some of their later albums.
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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2006 at 01:26

Thanks Chris.

I also want to mention Ahvak (dust) from Israel which released a self titled album in 2004 with Dave Kerman. High standard recording with complex compositions not too far apart from other groups in that genre, but this does not diminish from the end result, which is a delight to RIO fans.

Another one I like, although I expect them to get better is the French Nebelnest, who released two albums, of which I have the 2nd one called - Nova Express. Oddly enough it is here under Symphonic prog (a mistake soon to be corrected). There are clear influences from Univers Zero here, but it is no clone. They excel at taking a center musical idea and going a bit wild with it in a mix of jam/improvisation and calculated composition. I like this veyr much, but I still think it lacks something hard to describe to really get me going. The musicianship is very good and it is a recommended album.



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Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Absolute Zero - I have their album Crashing Icons which is a crazy musical journey, and I like it a lot.
Does anyone know if they are still active, cause their site isn't telling much and it has been about 5-6 years since that first release?
 
 
AZ are indeed still active. Considering that they've been together in some form or another since the late 70's, I believe, yet only have the one studio album under their belt I think a good deal of patience is required, here. From what I've gleaned off other websites (their homepage is dormant, alas) a new release is imminent, and should take the form of a DVD containing 100% new studio material. I'm assuming the visual content will be mostly animation as it's a STUDIO DVD rather than a live one, but who can say? All I know for certain is that AZ ain't dead and whatever they do next it's bound to be the most crucial avant-garde release of the year (whichever year it finally is).
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Points: 7341 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2006 at 09:17
The only Rio I know is Zappa, The Residents, a Captain Beefheart. They're all great and I didn't have much trouble getting into there music. I'm thinking about looking further into the scene at some of Mike Pattons groups.
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Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

The only Rio I know is Zappa, The Residents, a Captain Beefheart. They're all great and I didn't have much trouble getting into there music. I'm thinking about looking further into the scene at some of Mike Pattons groups.
 
Just to be anal... none of these chaps you've mentioned are Rock In Opposition. You'd be much safer referring to them as avant-prog.
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Points: 7341 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2006 at 09:35
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

The only Rio I know is Zappa, The Residents, a Captain Beefheart. They're all great and I didn't have much trouble getting into there music. I'm thinking about looking further into the scene at some of Mike Pattons groups.
 
Just to be anal... none of these chaps you've mentioned are Rock In Opposition. You'd be much safer referring to them as avant-prog.
 
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Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Absolute Zero - I have their album Crashing Icons which is a crazy musical journey, and I like it a lot.
Does anyone know if they are still active, cause their site isn't telling much and it has been about 5-6 years since that first release?
 
 
AZ are indeed still active. Considering that they've been together in some form or another since the late 70's, I believe, yet only have the one studio album under their belt I think a good deal of patience is required, here. From what I've gleaned off other websites (their homepage is dormant, alas) a new release is imminent, and should take the form of a DVD containing 100% new studio material. I'm assuming the visual content will be mostly animation as it's a STUDIO DVD rather than a live one, but who can say? All I know for certain is that AZ ain't dead and whatever they do next it's bound to be the most crucial avant-garde release of the year (whichever year it finally is).



TP, a bit off point here, I need your help with Lars Hollmer.
Go here and read my last post please.
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http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22683&PID=2000533#2000533
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Points: 6667 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2006 at 12:59
Originally posted by Aaron Aaron wrote:

thanks, maybe i'll grab both
 
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I think Les Espaces Inquietes is out of print at the moment...
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Points: 6667 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2006 at 13:00
Originally posted by progreviews progreviews wrote:

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No no, I  really like Univers Zero, especially 1313, and I expect to get their third album sometime soon.  It's just hard to listen to their albums sometimes.  I think the first track on Heresie is a little too long, and seeing as I always listen to album in full from beginning to end, that song stretches my patience and I usually give up on it.  Trust me, I like dark music, but Heresie is about as dark as you can get.

Aaron 


Ah! I misunderstood. Yeah, you should definitely go for the other UZ albums then, none of them are quite as dark as Heresie. That one's my favorite actually, but Ceux du Dehors and Uzed are also absolutely awesome. Their newer stuff (since their reunion in 1999) is actually way less dark - the new live album has a good overview of that material. It's very good, quite different stylistically from the Heresie days but still good.

If you want the *really* dark stuff check out Present and Shub Niggurath


YES! Both are extremely dark. I especially like Present! Clap
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Points: 6667 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2006 at 13:02
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Absolute Zero - I have their album Crashing Icons which is a crazy musical journey, and I like it a lot.
Does anyone know if they are still active, cause their site isn't telling much and it has been about 5-6 years since that first release?
 
 
AZ are indeed still active. Considering that they've been together in some form or another since the late 70's, I believe, yet only have the one studio album under their belt I think a good deal of patience is required, here. From what I've gleaned off other websites (their homepage is dormant, alas) a new release is imminent, and should take the form of a DVD containing 100% new studio material. I'm assuming the visual content will be mostly animation as it's a STUDIO DVD rather than a live one, but who can say?


Maybe just DVD-A(udio)?


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I love Alamaailman Vasarat, what a fantastic band!  I cannot wait to hear Hoyry-kone.


That's "steam machine" for you, sir... The Finns are really creative with their band names! And such a thriving musical scene...Thumbs Up
(just showing off my knowledge of FinnishTongue)

Back IT, I have extremely little knowledge of RIO, but I'd be interested to find out more. Perhaps it'll never become my favourite subgenre, though I think it's so important for the evolution of prog, that any self-respecting prog fan should know at least something of the most important bands.
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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2006 at 00:58

I use another forum collab for my Finnish knowledge (guess who)... He told me that Alamaailman Vasarat is Hammers of the Underworld. I was very much in the wrong direction trying to guess what it was... 

Ghost Rider, I will be happy (as others here will too, I'm sure) to recommend you bands and albums we appreciate and love, plus help you listen to some of it.
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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2006 at 14:51
Two more questions:

1. I was wondering if anyone knows this Japanese band - 

KROKO ? Their bio is missing and no reviews on their two releases listed here.


2. Do you think this is worth buying:
The Art Box - all of Art Bears albums plus 3 additional cd's ?
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Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:


Back IT, I have extremely little knowledge of RIO, but I'd be interested to find out more. Perhaps it'll never become my favourite subgenre, though I think it's so important for the evolution of prog, that any self-respecting prog fan should know at least something of the most important bands.


 
Well, above is similar to what I thought when I started to listen to RIO: "Interesting, but probably not my cup of tea". I saved on my hard-disc about 15 albums by various RIO/avant bands in mp3 format, and listened to them very occasionally in the beginning, but step by step I got hooked by almost all of it. Mind you RIO/avant is very variable genre, and you might be totally enchanted by one band and extremely repelled by the other.
You should not necessarily go for "most important" bands (if there are such) - for example, I do not think Cro-Magnon are ultimately important in Belgium chamber division, but still they produced one of my favourite albums in the whole subgenre - namely "Bull?".
 
So try it (several times) - it can be very rewarding! 
 


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