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sleeper 
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Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
 Posted: May 18 2006 at 12:09 |
Not at all, I dont doubt that two planes were abducted and flown into the WTC at all, but I am completely unconvinced about the attacks on the Pentagon and the Pensilvania (sp?) incident, theres just to many inconsistencies surrounding them for me to accept the US governments official reports.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 11:23 |
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Well said Maani. I watched this video yesterday and it just increased my already doubtful mind, so thank you for posting it here.
Some of the evidence shown in this video is pretty difficult (to me anyhow) to debunk. Especially in relation to flight AA77 and the size of the hole in the Pentagon. A lot of the rest is open to conjecture, but that particular evidence is self-explanatory, in my opinion. The evidence used is genuine, using footage, as well as stills from the site at the time, that was reported in news bulletins. |
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 11:18 |
It's covered in this essay, I found on a Google search.. Complicity? The share dealing prior to the attacks does lay to rest the idea of remote control 'non commercial' aircraft, and missiles hitting the Pentagon, though. If those major share holders were 'in the know' surely they'd know that UA and AA planes were not ultimately going to be used. Just a thought. Edited by Blacksword - May 18 2006 at 11:21 |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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maani
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Founding Moderator Joined: January 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2632 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 11:16 |
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All:
Of all the links to alternative theory sites that have been posted - and I have checked out all of them - the one that will answer (in its own way, of course) many of the issues and questions that the "non-conspiracy theorists" have is the one posted by MikeEnRegalia:
It is an hour and 20 minutes long, and is well worth it, as it goes through all three of the incidents - WTC (including #7), Pentagon and Shanksville - and provides quite a bit of information, including basic science and engineering, that many of you are still asking about. Obviously, the site has its own "spin," but I believe it to be the best of the "alternative theory" sites posted thus far. Those who are skeptical of the alternative theory claims should take the time to see this and then come back to the thread and comment on it. I'm sure many of you will simply guffaw, and that's okay, if that's the way you feel. But I think others of you may see and hear things that will raise doubts about your sticking to the "official story."
Peace. Edited by maani - May 18 2006 at 11:18 |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 11:08 |
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The mention of shares is mentioned on the video that MikeEnRegalia posted.
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 11:06 |
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The planes flying into the towers looked like passenger jets to me. I thought the film footage of those was clear enough.
I dont buy all that remote control stuff. I still think the whole episode stinks, though. I would say IF, there was somekind of conspiracy - apart from the one touted as the official line - it's more likely that they knew it was going to happen and let it. Didn't Condie Rice change her travel plans that morning, and Dick Cheney? Ariel Sharon also was alleged to have cancelled a plan trip to the US on 9/10. I remember the BBC and Fox both reported that huge amounts of shares in (American Airlines?) were sold the previous day. The story disapeared off the BBC website rather promptly, but I'm sure there is something still out there in cyberspace relating to that story. I'll try and find something from a 'mainstream' news source. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 11:05 |
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But Bob, how about the London bombings? They were by English born muslims, so in this instance, it is their own country.
Also, what about the alleged goings on by Saddam Hussein? Again, his own country and his own people. Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Chechenya (sp.)? A quick look at history down the years is all that is needed to debunk your theory. Therefore, it is quite possibly - but (to many) highly unlikely - for the American government or the F.B.I., to do harm to their own country. |
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Bob Greece
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 11:01 |
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Talking about conspiracy theories, I think their are such theories for everything. I have been reading about people who don't think they landed on the moon. One of these moon conspiracy theorists annoyed Buzz Aldrin so much a few years ago that he went out and punched the guy.
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Bob Greece
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 10:57 |
I've had a look and there's some very interesting facts there that I'd never heard of. I don't believe that the FBI would have let the attacks happen. What I believe is that no-one took the threat seriously. If you had told me before September 11th what would happen, I wouldn't have believed that anyone could seriously consider doing such a thing. Certainly no-one could considering doing such a terrible thing to their own country.
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Firepuck
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Joined: February 28 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 657 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 10:56 |
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I'm with you Jody.
Conspiracy theorists live in a scary world.
Seeing as Bush has been fighting public apathy for the war in Iraq and his poll numbers have steadily declined over the last several years one would think another 'staged' attack would have already happened.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 10:56 |
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Not at all Jody, if anything, it is us "conpiracy theories" that are more in the minority.
Of course, you have a right to an opinion, as we all do and as you are aware, we have no conclusive proof. So your views are also valid. Edited by Geck0 - May 18 2006 at 10:56 |
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Bob Greece
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 10:55 |
No I agree with you.
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TheProgtologist
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 10:47 |
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Am I the only person who thinks a bunch of American-hating fanatics climbed into four planes,flew two into the WC,one into the Pentagon and failed to crash the other into a viable target because the hostages rebelled and made the aircraft crash?????????
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 10:27 |
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I only said it was a possibility they could have been radio controlled of course.
I'm still unsure as to what conspiracy I believe, but I am pretty sure there is one to believe. |
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cobb
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Joined: July 10 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1149 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 10:08 |
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Ignore the radio controlled crap. Watch the damn video I posted...
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Bob Greece
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 1823 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 09:45 |
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This would have been so hard to fake ... radio controlled planes and all the passengers disappear. If the USA wants to invade countries, they don't need to fake terrorist attacks in their own country to do so.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 09:28 |
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It's very easy to make an aircraft radio controlled, they experimented with such things during the war (and possible pre-war also), so that's not a new phenomenon. Besides, they have fly-by-wire and autopilot systems installed as well.
I don't believe to be a Skywarrior either, by the way, so I'm not sure how the engine tallies in... |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21596 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 09:19 |
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Watch video that I posted earlier - it explains how the planes were "abducted" and then modified for radio controlled operation.
I'm not saying that I'm convinced that that's what happened - I'm merely saying that they do have a point. In the end there will always be doubts - about both sides of the story. |
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cobb
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Joined: July 10 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1149 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 09:18 |
Watch the video on the link I posted earlier, Bob. Nobody is saying the planes didn't hit the towers. The question is - who directed them - and why did the towers fall like a demolision - and why did WTC7 come done later in the afternoon - and why is there only a round hole in the Pentagon with no wing penetration points - and why did the hit on the Pentagon occur in a newly reinforced section. There are too many questions here. The video puts forward some very compelling arguments Edited by cobb - May 18 2006 at 09:19 |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: May 18 2006 at 09:15 |
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But there is doubt to whether they were military or civil 'planes Bob. They may have even been radio controlled.
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