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Rocktopus
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 05:04 |
DrGoon wrote:
Can - Tago Mago (you may as well start with the greatest rock album by the greatest rock band of all time)
Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts
Genesis - Nursery Crime
Pink Floyd - Meddle
Caravan - In the Land of Grey and Pink
So, there's some pretty different, influential and essential prog albums from 1971. I had to limit it somehow.
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Good list, but I'd choose 'Ege Bamyasi'.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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lastdodobird
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 05:14 |
Geck0 wrote:
Take out Pawn Heats and start with H to He Who Am The Only One, as this is less harsh on the ears for a beginner. I don't want you to dislike a great band such as VdGG, after hearing such a great (yet sonically difficult album), such as Pawn Hearts.
I've no other issues, except I don't really like Dream Theater!
That's a pretty good list actually. But I think you need at least one Canterbury album, as well as at least one fusion album in that list.
Canterbury: Caravan - In The Land of Grey and Pink Jazz Rock/Fusion: Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame or Birds of Fire
Oh yes and the best advice I can give you is:
Go through the bands on the archives and listen to the streams of sample tracks (which are full length). Most of the bands in your list, if not all, should have at least one track available to listen to, the more diverse ones have even more. So please do check those out, before potentially spending money on something you will not like.
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Hey thanks for the advice, I thought about that and here's how it looks... Here's the list: (1969) king crimson - in the court of the crimson king (1970) van der graaf generator - h to he, who am the only one
(1971) mahavishnu orchestra - the inner mounting flame (1971) jethro tull - aqualung (1971) caravan - in the land of grey and pink (1972) yes - close to the edge (1973) genesis - selling england by the pound (1973) gentle giant - in a glass house (1975) camel - the snow goose (1975) pink floyd - wish you were here (1981) rush - moving pictures (1992) anglagard - hybris (1999) dream theater - metropolis part 2 scenes from a memory (2001) pain of salvation - the perfect element i (2004) ayreon - the human equation (2005) riverside - second life syndromeWhat do you guys think? Isn't this list getting a little too heavy on albums from the 70s? What about the 80s? Any good prog albums from that time period? Taking
these things into consideration, maybe you guys could suggest which
albums I could take out of this list and what I could include for it TO BE AS EVEN AS POSSIBLE - both with regards to the time period, and to the sub-genres involved. Thanks!
Edited by lastdodobird - May 13 2006 at 05:16
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 05:24 |
Top 5 essential prog rock albums - it's not possible to compile such a list, because there are far more than 5 sub genres. Each of the genres is essential, so to be really well informed about prog rock you'd at least need one album from each genre.
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 05:26 |
1 - VDGG - Pawn Hearts
2 - KING CRIMSON - In the Court
3 - PINK FLOYD - Animals
4 - MARILLION - Script
5 - I don't know. Probably another album ok the first 3 band!!!!!!!
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lastdodobird
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 06:16 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Top 5 essential prog rock albums - it's not possible to compile such a list, because there are far more than 5 sub genres. Each of the genres is essential, so to be really well informed about prog rock you'd at least need one album from each genre. |
So how do you think this list could improve? Isn't this list getting a little too heavy on albums
from the 70s? What about the 80s? Any good prog albums from that time
period? What more could I do to "even it out" so to speak?
(1969) king crimson - in the court of the crimson king (1970) van der graaf generator - h to he, who am the only one
(1971) mahavishnu orchestra - the inner mounting flame (1971) jethro tull - aqualung (1971) caravan - in the land of grey and pink (1972) yes - close to the edge (1973) genesis - selling england by the pound (1973) gentle giant - in a glass house (1975) camel - the snow goose (1975) pink floyd - wish you were here (1981) rush - moving pictures (1992) anglagard - hybris (1999) dream theater - metropolis part 2 scenes from a memory (2001) pain of salvation - the perfect element i (2005) riverside - second life syndromeThanks!
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 06:24 |
^that's a difficult question. I would:
- remove Riverside
- DSOTM instead of WYWH
- Include Spock's Beard - The Light
- Include Tool - Lateralus
- Octopus instead of In a Glass House
- Hemispheres instead of Moving Pictures
- Awake instead of Scenes From a Memory
- Include Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Grey
- Include Marillion - Script
- Include Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
- Include The Flower Kings - Space Revolver
But that's only me!
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - May 13 2006 at 06:25
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Jimbo
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 06:41 |
If I were you, lastdodobird, I would check the top-rated albums from
each sub-genre, and choose those, because there are way too many
suggestions coming in at the moment IMO.
But since you seem to be a fan of post-rock, I would definitely get King Crimson's Red rather than In The Court Of The Crimson King. Not that King Crimson has anything to do with post-rock, but I think Red is closer to the genre somehow (the same "atmosphere", perhaps?)
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lastdodobird
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 07:12 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^that's a difficult question. I would:
- remove Riverside
- DSOTM instead of WYWH
- Include Spock's Beard - The Light
- Include Tool - Lateralus
- Octopus instead of In a Glass House
- Hemispheres instead of Moving Pictures
- Awake instead of Scenes From a Memory
- Include Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Grey
- Include Marillion - Script
- Include Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
- Include The Flower Kings - Space Revolver
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Thanks! Well, I've already listened to DSotM so I guess I'll go with WYWH, and I've already listened (and loved) Zappa's Hot Rats, so I could also omit that too. Other than that, all the other suggestions will surely be looked into. Thanks!
Jimbo wrote:
If I were you, lastdodobird, I would check the top-rated albums from
each sub-genre, and choose those, because there are way too many
suggestions coming in at the moment IMO.
But since you seem to be a fan of post-rock, I would definitely get King Crimson's Red rather than In The Court Of The Crimson King. Not that King Crimson has anything to do with post-rock, but I think Red is closer to the genre somehow (the same "atmosphere", perhaps?)
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Is that so? Ok, then maybe I'll try both Seeing that Red seems to be the second most popular KC album anyways.
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 07:19 |
Well if you want something from the 80's, definitely Marillion - Script for a jesters tear
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 09:35 |
Newer Neo-Prog-
Satellite: The Street Between Sunrise And Sunset (just got it a few days ago and am floored by it)
IQ: Dark Matter
Pendragon: Masquerade Overture
Additionally:
Spock's Beard: V
Neal Morse: Testimony, One, or ?
Rush: Grace Under Pressure (all of my other favorites were mentioned, but I just love this disc)
And last, but not least (what would a post from me be without a mention of my favorite):
Marillion:
Fish era - Misplaced Childhood, Script, Clutching At Straws
H era - Seasons End, Brave, Afraid Of Sunlight, Marbles
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lastdodobird
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 11:58 |
yeah, Marillion is probably the only artist I would get from the 80s...
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 12:11 |
lastdodobird wrote:
(1969) king crimson - in the court of the crimson king (1970) van der graaf generator - h to he, who am the only one (1971) mahavishnu orchestra - the inner mounting flame (1971) jethro tull - aqualung (1971) caravan - in the land of grey and pink (1972) yes - close to the edge (1973) genesis - selling england by the pound (1973) gentle giant - in a glass house (1975) camel - the snow goose (1975) pink floyd - wish you were here (1981) rush - moving pictures (1992) anglagard - hybris (1999) dream theater - metropolis part 2 scenes from a memory (2001) pain of salvation - the perfect element i (2005) riverside - second life syndrome |
I think you definately should switch Red for ITCOTCK, (with your taste, it's hard for me to see you liking more than the first track of In the Court...) Thick As A Brick for Aqualung, (I know TAAB is one long song, but it really doesn't feel like it--that's how good it is) and Relayer for Close to the Edge. (Relayer rocks much harder than CTTE; it has much better lyrics; and it a wonderful Jazz tint because of Moraz.) I don't have much experience with Gentle Giant, but from what I've heard Acquiring the Taste and Octopus are much more acessible, which is what you need when you're just starting with a band. However, since I have no direct experience with most of those other bands I'm not going to suggest anything further.
Oh yeah, I recommend you check out In Abstentia by Porcupine Tree if you some newer space-rock prog.(with a significant metal tint)
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 13:09 |
Get RED, instead of ITCOTCK. Will do... and I'll see if indeed it satisfies my post-rock appetite more than the latter
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 13:22 |
lastdodobird wrote:
yeah, Marillion is probably the only artist I would get from the 80s...
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..but you can also get the best King Crimson albums, a few Coil-albums, Japan and a bit more.
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Posted: May 13 2006 at 13:23 |
Zweck wrote:
lastdodobird wrote:
yeah, Marillion is probably the only artist I would get from the 80s...
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..but you can also get the best King Crimson albums, a few Coil-albums, Japan and a bit more. |
What specific albums did you have in mind Zweck?
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Posted: May 14 2006 at 03:22 |
Well, I ultimately decided to split up my list into two: One for 70's prog-rock and one for modern prog-rock. Here are how the final lists are shaping up:
70's prog: (1969) king crimson - in the court of the crimson king (1970) van der graaf generator - h to he who am the only one (1971) caravan - in the land of grey and pink (1972) gentle giant - octopus (1972) yes - close to the edge (1973) emerson lake & palmer - brain salad surgery (1973) mahavishnu orchestra - birds of fire (1974) camel - mirage (1975) pink floyd - wish you were here (1976) genesis - a trick of the tail (1977) jethro tull - songs from the wood (1978) jethro tull - heavy horses (1979) pink floyd - the wall (1981) rush - moving pictures (1983) marillion - script for a jester's tear
Modern prog: (1992) anglagard - hybris (1992) dream theater - images & words (1999) dream theater - metropolis part 2 scenes from a memory (1999) liquid tension experiment - liquid tension experiment 2 (2001) pain of salvation - the perfect element i (2001) tool - lateralus (2002) pain of salvation - remedy lane (2002) porcupine tree - in absentia (2004) ayreon - the human equation (2005) opeth - ghost reveries (2005) riverside - second life syndrome
Pretty decent, or needs a lot of work?
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Posted: May 14 2006 at 03:38 |
That looks like a very good list
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Posted: May 14 2006 at 03:41 |
The modern stuff is metal heavy, which is ok if you're a metal fan.
Instead of AToTT, I'd go with SEBTP maybe???
Only one Jethro Tull album is essential IMO too, and that would be Thick as a Brick.
Other than that, it's a good list to start out with.
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"Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression."
-Merleau-Ponty
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lastdodobird
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Posted: May 14 2006 at 04:30 |
Zac M wrote:
The modern stuff is metal heavy, which is ok if you're a metal fan.
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But isn't most of the recent modern stuff predominantly metal heavy? I know very little modern prog act's which aren't metal. Any suggestions?
Zac M wrote:
Instead of AToTT, I'd go with SEBTP maybe??? Only one Jethro Tull album is essential IMO too, and that would be Thick as a Brick.
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Well... call me obsessive compulsive (I am, a little actually, especially when it comes to music. Haha.), but I really wanted to get at least an album each from the dominant bands of this era, while at the same time getting at least an album each from each year... I was going over the album lists for the bands, and this is the combination of albums I came up with. Like, if I replaced AToTT for SEBTP, that would give me 0 albums from 1976 and 3 albums for 1973... And if I replaced both JT albums with Thick as a Brick, that woudl leave 0 albums for 1977 and 1978, and put 3 albums in 1972! It's crazy, I know... But I'll work on it. Hehe. Thanks!
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Posted: May 14 2006 at 04:34 |
lastdodobird wrote:
Well, I ultimately decided to split up my list into two: One for 70's prog-rock and one for modern prog-rock. Here are how the final lists are shaping up:
70's prog: (1969) king crimson - in the court of the crimson king (1970) van der graaf generator - h to he who am the only one (1971) caravan - in the land of grey and pink (1972) gentle giant - octopus (1972) yes - close to the edge (1973) emerson lake & palmer - brain salad surgery (1973) mahavishnu orchestra - birds of fire (1974) camel - mirage (1975) pink floyd - wish you were here (1976) genesis - a trick of the tail (1977) jethro tull - songs from the wood (1978) jethro tull - heavy horses (1979) pink floyd - the wall (1981) rush - moving pictures (1983) marillion - script for a jester's tear
Modern prog: (1992) anglagard - hybris (1992) dream theater - images & words (1999) dream theater - metropolis part 2 scenes from a memory (1999) liquid tension experiment - liquid tension experiment 2 (2001) pain of salvation - the perfect element i (2001) tool - lateralus (2002) pain of salvation - remedy lane (2002) porcupine tree - in absentia (2004) ayreon - the human equation (2005) opeth - ghost reveries (2005) riverside - second life syndrome
Pretty decent, or needs a lot of work?
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Look everyone is going to keep correcting you and this thread will just go on forever, I don't 100% agree with it, but hey its a start, if I was you I'd start purchasing them, anyway your choice will alter
as what is available in the stores, I think you've got a good list, you may as well end this thread because we'll keep suggesting stuff and confusing you. These album will start you into the crazy world of prog, later on you can get into Krautrock and zheul etc, but this is a start.
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